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Cyoon · Post by **Cyoon** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:06 pm

oh wow, that sounds interesting!
Superbooth hm? See you there then

research synth...

yummy!

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 3:23 am

Superbooth looks like a great creation, like rolling release tradeshows,
but lacking the rigid scheduling and set geography of a messe or namm,
and with some possible R&R amid the brainstorming and emerging agendas.

Interesting details about the new infrastructures,
looks like a very exciting and busy year ahead!
Cheers

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:02 am

Urs wrote:Regarding MIDI mappings... we hope to exploit the automapping functionality we created for Diva's NKS port in our other synths as well (might be very difficult for Zebra) and possibly for other controller protocols as well - if such exists.

I may be wrong about this, but my gut says that the real market for controlling soft synths is going towards the 8 encoder mapping for physical devices, and to touch screen for deep sound design.

I'm sitting in front of a Remote SL MKII here, and it's a great controller, but the main thing I did with it is Automap Hive's step sequencer to the 16 encoders before I got the BeatStep Pro. Mostly spending hours mapping out controllers to devices that barely let you know what is mapped where just isn't worth it, so you grab the first 8 encoders and map them to the most used in the songwriting process parameters and go... To me the best new controller would have at least two XY pads and 8 endless encoders with large LED displays.

Main thing I wanted to say is make sure all your devices are touch friendly, that's in my opinion going to be the next logical step in sound design. Whether or not us old folks like hardware or not means nothing to a generation growing up with iPhones and iPads, and access to multi touch in Windows etc. I'm willing to bet money that within the next five years OSX and iOS merge, and touch screen tech becomes standard.

core · Post by **core** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:08 am

Superbooth looks really interesting. Are the exhibitors listed at the exhibit space confirmed for this year?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:00 am

core wrote:Superbooth looks really interesting. Are the exhibitors listed at the exhibit space confirmed for this year?

As far as I know they're all coming.

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:50 pm

machinesworking wrote: and touch screen tech becomes standard.

I agree with your thoughts regarding new controllers.
'touch' itself is a bit of a misnomer, since it's mostly tap and slide.
Touch is better linked to grasping, as with raised and tactile knobs,
dials, sliders, pushing of buttons, and pressing qwerty and midi keys,
and perhaps pressure sensitive track pads for x-y control as they
come to market.

tapNslide can play to it's strengths, and nicely augment existing hardware,
and become standard in niches where there are serious gaps in accessable controls. My bet is on it's limitations and ergonomic issues drawing market boundaries, that will change little in the next few years. I look forward
to getting a cheap android tablet with Remuda, to control my guitar amp.
And using the x-y pad on a Korg Taktile.
If I can cut a deal with the

dentist

Cheers

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:56 pm

glokraw wrote:
machinesworking wrote: and touch screen tech becomes standard.
I agree with your thoughts regarding new controllers.
'touch' itself is a bit of a misnomer, since it's mostly tap and slide.
Touch is better linked to grasping, as with raised and tactile knobs,
dials, sliders, pushing of buttons, and pressing qwerty and midi keys,
and perhaps pressure sensitive track pads for x-y control as they
come to market.

tapNslide can play to it's strengths, and nicely augment existing hardware,
and become standard in niches where there are serious gaps in accessable controls. My bet is on it's limitations and ergonomic issues drawing market boundaries, that will change little in the next few years. I look forward
to getting a cheap android tablet with Remuda, to control my guitar amp.
And using the x-y pad on a Korg Taktile.
If I can cut a deal with the dentist
Cheers

Dental is a concern for sure.

I think anyone growing up with iphones/androids as a standard just doesn't care like the 'market' thinks people care about the 'tactile' experience. I'm nearing 50 and honestly I see no way that any hardware controller is going to work better with synths like Zebra and Reaktor etc. than a touch surface would.
I do this for the love of it, and I'm more than willing to cough up for the Raven Mti2 to control these synths like I can the hardware synths I own. Let's face it, hardware controllers for deep software plug ins means mousing around during the preset creation process, and that effectively kills the pleasure of the experience. I just don't see the lack of tactile feedback on a touch screen as being a real issue to anyone who isn't getting caught up in nostalgia.

I'm very guilty of thinking like this as well, but the most telling wake up call for me was the iPad. I thought it was a stupid idea, that a phone OS would never sell, and it was the single fastest selling item Apple ever released. Really any synth with over 50 parameters is going to be better served with a touch screen than with a control surface for the sound design process. For performance it's a different story for sure, and maybe that's where I'm off? the market is flooded with 8 parameter solutions, AKAI, Ableton, NI etc.

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:02 am

I have a relative who is extremely expert with ipads. I tried to get
him interested in giving high-end ipad classes in the wealthy folk
in the hills neighborhoods,
but he's also a drummer...

Maybe someone has done a comparison test? Something like:

increase saturation/distortion smoothly on one control,
while sweeping a filter smoothly with another.

Or fade out a tremolo smoothly, while fading in the depth of a delay.
Is it easier on a real controller, or on an ipad skating rink?

putting zwei pfennigs on the coffee table, and circling them
in sync with index fingers, without bumping the coins (losing control focus)
is no easy task. For me.
Moving a pair of sliders on my controller was slightly less embarassing,
perhaps because I had a repeating 8 beat arp going, to constrain
my 'creativity'.

Project · Post by **Project** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:28 am

Urs wrote:Regarding MIDI mappings... we hope to exploit the automapping functionality we created for Diva's NKS port in our other synths as well (might be very difficult for Zebra) and possibly for other controller protocols as well - if such exists.

Novation Automap is the most longeve protocol of this kind, I've been using a Novation Remote Zero SL since 2005.
Most people didn't understood the automap protocol when it came out, because there was (and still there are) just a few instruments mapped for it, and the name "automap" was interpreted by many people as something that would work out of the box.
Of course, if nobody has mapped a plug-in it's usually a bad experience because the parameter are mapped to the controller with the name and order that the plug-in use to declare them to the host. So the user has to do a similar process to what u-he did with the Diva mapping for Kontrol and Maschine, but I still think it's the best solution of this kind, and I usually map oll of the instrument/fx plug-in I buy or demo before really starting to use them.
With the Remote Zero SL I have 24 continuous controllers and 24 switches, with 2 display shoving me parameter names and values for 16 parameters at once.
The problem with the Automap protocol is that Novation make different controllers, so if you map a software intrument with your controller it will not work well on another model (different number and kind of knobs, faders, switches etc.). Oh, and the software has several bugs and not all of them have been fixed in the recent releases

Just my 2 cents

Cheers

Luca

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:15 pm

"The coupon code will be sent out to you in about a week and will be valid until January 31, 2016." ?

So today is January 28 means they will send me expired coupon?

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:37 pm

machinesworking wrote:I just don't see the lack of tactile feedback on a touch screen as being a real issue to anyone who isn't getting caught up in nostalgia.

I have a Fuji X-T1 camera and it is well made, has real dials and aperture ring and is a pleasure to use. It is not nostalgia that I enjoy it in a similar way to how I used to enjoy my old manual films cameras. It is an actual reason in the present, not remembrance of the past.

I have an iPad Pro... The iPad Pro with the Apple Pencil happens to make a very good drawing tablet (mostly due to the pencil adding modulating sensitivity), but I think the touchscreen basically sucks as a finger driven interface. It feels like trying to do something precise with a pair of thick gloves on.

e@rs · Post by **e@rs** » Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:47 pm

chilly7 wrote:"The coupon code will be sent out to you in about a week and will be valid until January 31, 2016." ?

So today is January 28 means they will send me expired coupon?

I did the survey and received the code a few hours later.

core · Post by **core** » Thu Jan 28, 2016 6:04 pm

chilly7 wrote:"The coupon code will be sent out to you in about a week and will be valid until January 31, 2016." ?

So today is January 28 means they will send me expired coupon?

You could also pick one up here. I still have mine, if you need it just pm.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:44 pm

chilly7 wrote:"The coupon code will be sent out to you in about a week and will be valid until January 31, 2016." ?

So today is January 28 means they will send me expired coupon?

The survey was primarily set up for people who subscribe to our newsletter, which has a large overlap with the group of customers who actively use our software. Those had more than two weeks of time.

The survey is furthermore not a "sales special". It has a very serious background in that we need to understand our existing customer base in order to make certain decisions.

In other words: The target group of the survey got notified in time. If you haven't heard about the survey in time to redeem the coupon, there's a high probability you're not part of its target group.

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:48 pm

Urs wrote:
chilly7 wrote:"The coupon code will be sent out to you in about a week and will be valid until January 31, 2016." ?

So today is January 28 means they will send me expired coupon?
The survey was primarily set up for people who subscribe to our newsletter, which has a large overlap with the group of customers who actively use our software. Those had more than two weeks of time.

The survey is furthermore not a "sales special". It has a very serious background in that we need to understand our existing customer base in order to make certain decisions.

In other words: The target group of the survey got notified in time. If you haven't heard about the survey in time to redeem the coupon, there's a high probability you're not part of its target group.

Why to treat me like a dog if i do not own anything from Uhe?
It is not the first time I receive rude behavior from others with explanation because i do not own anything from Uhe.

Meanwhile i recived that email. But i was not intrested in that coupon.
But right now i want to buy a new synth and Zebra 2 is one of possible pretendents. So now i am intrested in coupon if i will decide to get Zebra 2. But purchase can be made in next month. So i will see what will happend.

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