Tone2 will release Icarus - 3D WaveTable Synthesizer

[Shabdahbriah]

2048/32bit will work without resynthesis, just import your serum table

Awesome! ty

[zerocrossing]

Does the installer for Icarus also read all the hard disk content to delete files that Tone2 considers illegal?

Inherent to the copy protection is a root folder scan for blacklisted key files. This isn't a big deal, doesn't affect legitimate users and frankly deserves more understanding than a poor mask of "content Tone2, considers illegal". They have a fair, firm copy protection.

But surely this kind of intrusion is just as bad as warez and therefore morally wrong, besides being a very dodgy policy.

I'll boycott Tone2 based on these comments even though I have no warez

You're saying that the man who's installing your new dishwasher taking a peek at your fridge to see if it's got a serial number on it that's stolen is as bad as someone breaking into a store and stealing a dishwasher? You've got some moral compass.

[Mac of BIOnighT]

I think the whole thing is really crazy... first off, this is like the legends that circulated when the internet was still a baby - "there's a virus that will destroy your hard disks, steal your identity, make your monitor explode, block your credit cards and rape your sister if you simply click on a link". Please use logic: why would any company search your hard disk for warez? Are they the police? What the heck would they ever care if you had some other company's stuff you didn't buy? If - and I say if, as I have no idea whether they do or not - if anything, they might take a peek and see if you have their own stuff, which is - I believe - well within their rights. If I had any way to embed in my music something that looks at somebody's hard disk to see if they have any of my albums that they stole through some Russian site or something and erase it, I certainly would implement it. It's my stuff, the result of a lifetime of constant work and study, I have a right to prevent my work from being stolen. There is nothing morally wrong with it.
However, I think you should just ask them, instead of relying on silly rumors spread by thieves, don't you agree?

[JoeCat]

Seems silly to be worrying about all this when Facebook, Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, etc. all know my condom size.

(I'm Italian too, so they're like, special order )

[Mac of BIOnighT]

(I'm Italian too, so they're like, special order

It's a tough life, isn't it? ;-P

[chk071]

Seems silly to be worrying about all this when Facebook, Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, etc. all know my condom size.

But they don't. Or did you give it to them? Not that i'm sure what "them" really defines. Most likely a computer software automatically evaluating and processing the data, if then.

[Vectorman]

Seems silly to be worrying about all this when Facebook, Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, etc. all know my condom size.

But they don't. Or did you give it to them? Not that i'm sure what "them" really defines. Most likely a computer software automatically evaluating and processing the data, if then.

Sure, the advertising you see in sidebars on websites is often based on data about products you've browsed, whether it's furniture, computers, music gear, or raincoats for JoeCat's monster hoo-hah. At the moment, I'm seeing computer desks, jockstrap underwear, and aftermarket Field Interface Stabilizers for Type 40 TARDISes. (Ok, one of those I made up, but I won't say which...)

[chk071]

Seems silly to be worrying about all this when Facebook, Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, etc. all know my condom size.

But they don't. Or did you give it to them? Not that i'm sure what "them" really defines. Most likely a computer software automatically evaluating and processing the data, if then.

Sure, the advertising you see in sidebars on websites is often based on data about products you've browsed, whether it's furniture, computers, music gear, or raincoats for JoeCat's monster hoo-hah. At the moment, I'm seeing computer desks, jockstrap underwear, and aftermarket Field Interface Stabilizers for Type 40 TARDISes. (Ok, one of those I made up, but I won't say which...)

As i wrote, evaluated and processed automatically by software running on web servers. And you as a computer user are a number, or an anonymous ID. They don't know that David Smith from Washington uses condoms sized 30 with musk scent. And even if they would, those are computer programs written to personalize ads for you. It's not employee XY from company AB who knows everything about you now. The more ads you see, the less effect the single ad has, so, like it or not, they are in need to make the single ad more relevant to you to be more effective. I don't like it either, but that's how it is, and it will only get worse, not better.

[JoeCat]

Seems silly to be worrying about all this when Facebook, Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, etc. all know my condom size.

But they don't. Or did you give it to them? Not that i'm sure what "them" really defines. Most likely a computer software automatically evaluating and processing the data, if then.

While one can be vigilant (private browsing, etc.), it's virtually impossible to avoid data collection by these entities. They share tons of information for marketing, etc.

While the data should be anonymous, it isn't. I'm not conspiracy-minded; that's just the way it is.

[chk071]

Seems silly to be worrying about all this when Facebook, Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, etc. all know my condom size.

But they don't. Or did you give it to them? Not that i'm sure what "them" really defines. Most likely a computer software automatically evaluating and processing the data, if then.

While one can be vigilant (private browsing, etc.), it's virtually impossible to avoid data collection by these entities. They share tons of information for marketing, etc.

While the data should be anonymous, it isn't. I'm not conspiracy-minded; that's just the way it is.

Would you rather pay for everything on the net? Every visit on KVR $0.15? Or is a automatic personalizing of ads done by computer software a valid alternative?

[JoeCat]

Seems silly to be worrying about all this when Facebook, Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, etc. all know my condom size.

But they don't. Or did you give it to them? Not that i'm sure what "them" really defines. Most likely a computer software automatically evaluating and processing the data, if then.

While one can be vigilant (private browsing, etc.), it's virtually impossible to avoid data collection by these entities. They share tons of information for marketing, etc.

While the data should be anonymous, it isn't. I'm not conspiracy-minded; that's just the way it is.

Would you rather pay for everything on the net? Every visit on KVR $0.15? Or is a automatic personalizing of ads done by computer software a valid alternative?

I don't think the "either/or" is as simple as pay for internet, or allow collection of personalized data. I don't even mind targeted ads, if the data collection were truly anonymous. It's not anymore, and there's too much information being tracked (income, etc.).

And that's not the entirety of it. The days of locked-down devices (my 386!) are gone. Apple and Microsoft push updates that often break legacy apps, etc. That doesn't mean I want a vendor mucking with my files, but we keep lowering the bar on what's acceptable, both in the cloud and on our devices. Apps claim to collect "anonymous" information that somehow manages to find its way through some data breach...

In any case, I don't want to derail the thread further; my point being Tone 2's copy-protection practices (whatever they are), would seem relatively unimportant in the grand scheme of things, and there's really little documented evidence of any issues. Just another excuse to bash the company.

This seems to be a KVR thing - the Korg Minilogue thread is obsessed with clicking envelopes, every Xils thread becomes a dongle debate...

[Winstontaneous]

Anyway: http://www.mandatory.com/2015/02/26/whi ... the-world/

;-P

Huh, this puts North Korea's macho posturing in a whole new light, they're clearly trying to compensate.

I own (and love) Electra2 and RayBlaster, I'm getting a lot of interesting drum & percussion sounds out of them. I find Tone 2's marketing to have a high noise to signal ratio, if you know what I mean. I overlooked Tone 2 product for years because of this...they need to know that their approach alienates intelligent, independent thinkers like myself.

Dunno about the copy protection squabbles, but I HATE how Tone 2 plugins take over the Mac plugin folder - that's really not cool, this stuff belongs in Application Support.

[JonSolo]

Way off topic guys. I see some deleted posts in this threads future.

Meanwhile, I have seen nothing yet that really gets me excited, but I do like what I am reading about it. Hopefully we will HEAR something soon to give us an idea of where this new plugin is heading.

[EnGee]

I think the only 3D valid function is to rotate the wavetable while scanning it, then with the wavetables stack (as in Codex) movement you have a 3D movement X, Y, and Z. But I doubt it, I think it is just an addition modulation to the wavetable and they called it 3D.

Oh btw, I chose a 3D Shiatsu massage cushion for my mother! It is a real 3D movement as the salesperson demonstarted it to me when I asked him about two massage cushions, one with 3D and one cheaper without 3D. So, yeah! 3D is cool

[stillshaded]

would u guys hate me if I said massive is still my favorite wavetable softsynth?

It's weird.. the oscillators sounds brittle and harsh by them selves.. and the filters sound brittle and harsh.. but for some reason i like the sounds i get out of it the most. they cut and don't have that phony sound that gets to me.