KVR Audio

memyselfandus · Post by **memyselfandus** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:59 pm

deastman wrote:I had forgotten about the audio to midi feature. I'm not sure if I ever used that.

I'm surprised that modern DAWs don't all have the ability to manage multiple sequences in one project. That really seems like such an obvious feature. I spend a lot of time in Adobe software such as After Effects and Premiere Pro, and they allow you to have multiple timelines and nest them inside each other. Even Audition has multiple timeline management. I'm not sure why this isn't common in DAWs.

agreed

memyselfandus · Post by **memyselfandus** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:00 pm

For those who want to try it. looks like the windows version will work up to xp sp3

Vision Application and Support Files

"As the Gibson/Opcode.com site seems to no longer exist, I'm posting the Vision Application and related files of interest as a public service to current Vision users unless forbidden by Gibson to do so. All files have had PACE copy protection removed (legally-don't worry)."

http://web.archive.org/web/200902111714 ... ision.html

dsan@mail.com · Post by **dsan@mail.com** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:26 pm

That's very nice of you, memyselfandus!

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memyselfandus · Post by **memyselfandus** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:34 pm

Thank you

memyselfandus · Post by **memyselfandus** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:36 pm

Opcode Studiovision And Ableton Live Used By Robert Rich

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dz3rpz6FKzk

memyselfandus · Post by **memyselfandus** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:40 pm

https://www.namm.org/library/oral-histo ... -oppenheim

Dave Oppenheim is the founder of Opcode Systems, a Palo Alto, California software company that pioneered MIDI sequencing for MAC OS and Microsoft Windows. With Dave’s programming, the company created such software products as Vision, Studio Vision, Galaxy and Max. Among the many users for Dave’s programming were professional musicians such as Herbie Hancock and Thomas Dolby who used the music sequencing on live and recorded performances. Opcode was sold to Gibson Guitars in 1998, which stopped production of its Opcode products the following year.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:15 pm

I wonder what companies do with old source code like that, if they just put it in a vault somewhere and forget about it or if they try to sell it or something. I also wonder if whatever they developed it in X years ago is still something viable now or if they'd have to kinda mostly rebuild it if they brought it back.

It is interesting to look back though, like looking back at Cubase X years ago and see it doing some things it doesn't do now, like switching it's audio tracks mono/stereo.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:09 pm

dsan@mail.com wrote:That's very nice of you, memyselfandus!

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Don't be fooled. The Windows version was way behind the Mac version (was still at 2.5, while the Mac version was at 3.5). For example: the Windows version was MIDI only while the Mac version had native audio capabilities since version 2.0. But it may be good to test the Vision way of dealing with MIDI.

mothballs · Post by **mothballs** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:41 pm

Probably best to ignore the Windows version and just pretend it didn't happen. From memory, it was midi only, very limited and totally unstable. If anyone is interested, the last Mac version can still be found on-line and works fine on older Macs running System 9.

Audio to midi was primitive but (barely) usable. It was the late 90's after all. Ableton Live wasn't even a twinkle in someone's eye and I don't think PT even had midi tracks.

Things we take for granted today were cutting edge or unimaginable back then. I'm pretty sure the first time I saw audio and midi running together in the same software was at launch function for SVP. That was mind-blowing at the time.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:57 pm

Yeah the Windows version was an experiment. I think not many people bought it and it was dropped.
Gibson supposedly has the source code. If any of the programmers still have it, they won't admit it

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As Gibson if I remember correctly became very litigious about it.

Dave O went to work at Pro Tools after. Not sure if he is still there, but I am always surprised he didn't have a greater input to ProTools Midi. Not sure how come.

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ls1xxx · Post by **ls1xxx** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:42 pm

How would you get sound out of it since there wasn't vst back then (at least to my knowledge there wasn't)??? Besides using Hardware was there Internal Sounds from the Mac and cd-roms or ? Im a bit late to the game here with this daw but find this one Fascinating!

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:48 pm

ls1xxx wrote:How would you get sound out of it since there wasn't vst back then (at least to my knowledge there wasn't)??? Besides using Hardware was there Internal Sounds from the Mac and cd-roms or ? Im a bit late to the game here with this daw but find this one Fascinating!

Yes, there was already VST in 1999, and Vision was supporting it. But the audio engine had nothing to do with VST. Vision was the first to have MIDI and audio running in the same application. Cubase and Digital Performer get on only a few years after. Logic was the last one of the "big four" (as I called them back then) to enter the game.

BTW: Chris Halaby, which is one of the Chief Officers of KVR, was the president of Opcode in those glorious days.

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:50 pm

ls1xxx wrote:How would you get sound out of it since there wasn't vst back then (at least to my knowledge there wasn't)??? Besides using Hardware was there Internal Sounds from the Mac and cd-roms or ? Im a bit late to the game here with this daw but find this one Fascinating!

Audio was mostly provided by Digidesign hardware. I had an Audiomedia 2 (3?) card for that.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:51 pm

deastman wrote:
ls1xxx wrote:How would you get sound out of it since there wasn't vst back then (at least to my knowledge there wasn't)??? Besides using Hardware was there Internal Sounds from the Mac and cd-roms or ? Im a bit late to the game here with this daw but find this one Fascinating!
Audio was mostly provided by Digidesign hardware. I had an Audiomedia 2 (3?) card for that.

In the end, Vision was already able to use any hardware, including the built-in audio of the Macs (which was already 16-bit). But yes, it was mainly Digidesign hardware, and DAE, which was the audio engine behind that, was written by Digi to keep track counting artificially down, in order to prevent competition with the big systems (while you could do 16 tracks with a pro Tools III system, you could only have 4 track with an Audiomedia II or III. OTOH, if you were using the Mac built-in audio, you could jump to the same 16 tracks.

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:52 pm

LawrenceF wrote:I wonder what companies do with old source code like that, if they just put it in a vault somewhere and forget about it or if they try to sell it or something. I also wonder if whatever they developed it in X years ago is still something viable now or if they'd have to kinda mostly rebuild it if they brought it back.

It is interesting to look back though, like looking back at Cubase X years ago and see it doing some things it doesn't do now, like switching it's audio tracks mono/stereo.

I once met a guy who worked for Gibson here in the bay area. He said that he and another guy still had the source code for Vision and were making periodic modifications to their own personal copies. I can only assume that too faded into the mists of time eventually.

Opcode Studio Vision