Why Don't More People Share Project Files?

[jancivil]

VSL creates project files (incl. Cubase) as a guide towards an overview of their libraries in usage. They offer a 30-day or 30 starts demo of their software incl. VE Pro. (It may be that you have to request it personally now. At one time their demos were such that all one had to was create a new user profile and download a new activation code for another 30/30. Now I suppose the ISP is monitored and you only have the one chance.) I don't have any real use for their project files as it's intended for a user that has extensive libraries from them that I mostly don't have.

[Michael L]

All MuLab demos can be downloaded as project files from the website. They only use Mux modules, but are quite informative.

[tapper mike]

I did that with various projects I'd worked on and sought collaboration. What I got was outright theft. People would take my project files spend little to no time "enhancing" them then claim that it was 100 Percent their work. Even when I'd CC'd the content with specific clauses regarding recognition for my efforts.

[incubus]

Similar, I use reason. Reason has "discover" and it's ok. But, If I upload something, then what I get back is a bunch of stuff that is....not in my collaborative style. Don't get me wrong, I'm flattered anyone took the time to listen, but it's difficult to communicate with people and then give feedback. It's pretty much just people taking a groove/clip/whatever and then doing their thing. Not lousy, and I don't consider it "ripping me off" but it's pretty uncomfortable.

They don't currently have a "persons credentials" added and recognized for copyright stuff (even though my reason songs have my credentials) so that kinda sucks and makes me Leary.

A lot of rip off douches out there. Sometimes I'd love to collab, but then again sometimes I just feel it's best to hold on to what I have.....which is lame because I can't sing. Would love to get good vocals to some of my stuff and share credits.

[pljones]

I Googled "OhmStudio" and clicked the first result and Firefox gives this notice "This Connection is Untrusted". It sounds like a great software. Is it free? I don't have PayPal and probably don't qualify to have an account and have never bought anything off of the internet.

I got it when it was in beta and the site was being run half way properly... I believe you can get the software for free and they've a number of subscription levels for using the service, including a basic free one, I think.

You don't have any ideas? What about the chains of plugins you decide to use? That qualifies as "idea". Lots of ideas could be in there.

Using gain and compression to get a drumkit not to be too loud or too quiet is pretty trivial. Production work I do "on the fly" in Audacity, so no chains of plugins there, either.

I'm not sure where the topic of "Projects Sharing" should go. Any suggestion? How do I move it to there?

Well, it's definitely Music related, so "Everything Else" would have done, IMO.

[harryupbabble]

Sometimes I'd love to collab, but then again sometimes I just feel it's best to hold on to what I have.....which is lame because I can't sing. Would love to get good vocals to some of my stuff and share credits.

Aren't a few softwares that emulate singing available already and aren't they getting better and better? Maybe in five years these softwares would be so good that it would be hard to tell that it is artificial.

[harryupbabble]

I did that with various projects I'd worked on and sought collaboration. What I got was outright theft. People would take my project files spend little to no time "enhancing" them then claim that it was 100 Percent their work. Even when I'd CC'd the content with specific clauses regarding recognition for my efforts.

That's interesting. Your stuff must be worth stealing. And if the stealer(s) did a better job then that might be a good thing? And you would be okay with that? Sort of like Jimi Hendrix improving Bob Dylan's "All Along the Watchtower" song, just legally in Jimi's case. If the stealers did no improvements to your songs then it might still be okay because really they are in effect just spreading your creations for you? Illegally... but still, its propagation? And you can reclaim credit. As the original creator of your songs, don't you have the right to, for example, make a YouTube video making your case, stating something like "this person stole my song, here is my song and here is theirs and I have proof that my version was made earlier than anybody's version?".

What if your stuff is like Greensleeves: a couple of hundred years or so later and it's still alive but no one really knows who wrote the music nor the lyrics? I guess credit and cash matters during one's lifetime but I bet others would be super-flattered if what happened to your songs happened to their songs. Something in your songs must have been interesting to the stealer (from this era), and that might be a sign that it could also be interesting to someone not of this era, like Greensleves? In this age of saturation maybe the next best thing is people even bothering to steal your stuff? Maybe one of the stealers might, by way of some miracle, take your song to where you couldn't take it. Then you could sue them, hahaha. Seriously.

And some people might not even be into collaborations nor blatant rip-offing. I don't know about others but I, for one example, am just interested in examining and learning from project files. I've no interest in stealing other people's songs. Ego and pride requires "I made that". I'd rather make my own songs and if learning from other's songs is the traditional best proven way to do it then so be it.

It occurred to me that I can maybe convert Jeskola Buzz bmx project files to REAPER project files. But it doesn't seem like it's going to be easy. It's going to be boring for sure, and time-consuming, and maybe there will be tons of errors conversion-wise that has to be corrected. In the past, I have already downloaded about over a thousand Buzz bmx project files from all over the net. It's just that in order to examine those Buzz bmx projects one has to learn the tracker way instead of the piano roll way that REAPER has that I find easier and already know how to use more so than the Buzz tracker, just to see what's happening in someone's song(s).

It doesn't seem like most people here at KVR are too interested in the idea of sharing projects... because they are, as a few times already stated by others, afraid people will steal their ideas? Or worse... because people might not steal them (this would be my fear)? It would have been easier if there were more REAPER projects floating around in the internet since no tedious conversions would be required. But so far I've only found about 20 true REAPER projects (as opposed to templates which are kind of smaller pseudo-projects). Yup, REAPER projects are so much harder finding than Buzz projects. Strange. Oh well. Buzz manuals and how-tos... here we go. Convert, convert, convert x 1000+. Sigh.

[Meffy]

I'm not sure where the topic of "Projects Sharing" should go. Any suggestion? How do I move it to there?

Well, it's definitely Music related, so "Everything Else" would have done, IMO.

I concur. Harry, if you'd like it moved to Everything Else, send me a PM and I'll pull the lever.

[eta] I could move it to Hosts & Applications if you prefer. Either would be applicable.

[harryupbabble]

I'm not sure where the topic of "Projects Sharing" should go. Any suggestion? How do I move it to there?

Well, it's definitely Music related, so "Everything Else" would have done, IMO.

I concur. Harry, if you'd like it moved to Everything Else, send me a PM and I'll pull the lever.

[eta] I could move it to Hosts & Applications if you prefer. Either would be applicable.

Hi Meffy. Yes, moving this thread to Everything Else would be fine. Thanks very much.
I tried to PM you but when I clicked the submit button this notification popped up "The requested users to be added do not exist."

[incubus]

Sometimes I'd love to collab, but then again sometimes I just feel it's best to hold on to what I have.....which is lame because I can't sing. Would love to get good vocals to some of my stuff and share credits.

Aren't a few softwares that emulate singing available already and aren't they getting better and better? Maybe in five years these softwares would be so good that it would be hard to tell that it is artificial.

Well, it's not my thing. I'd rather hear it bare and w/o vocals than something autotuny. What I was really saying is that colabs are not really that simple as mentioned about "stealing" (not to mention lazy people who say they'll do something and never do )

[D.H. Miltz]

I'm not sure where the topic of "Projects Sharing" should go. Any suggestion? How do I move it to there?

Well, it's definitely Music related, so "Everything Else" would have done, IMO.

I concur. Harry, if you'd like it moved to Everything Else, send me a PM and I'll pull the lever.

[eta] I could move it to Hosts & Applications if you prefer. Either would be applicable.

Hi Meffy. Yes, moving this thread to Everything Else would be fine. Thanks very much.

Happened to see this and figured as long as I'm here I'll do it.

[ghettosynth]

Who would want to work on my sonic disasters?!?

I heard that.


Seriously though, OP, there are simply too many variables for this to be useful. The only DAW for which this was even remotely practical was pre V6 Reason. Even then, refills were a problem.

Try collaborating with ONE other person who uses Reaper, I bet you money that you will run into problems the minute that you try to play back each other's files. I've done this with a friend in live 8 where we only used live's plugins and it was still a problem.

That's why people share stems, stems can be used across most/all DAWs.

There are some reaper project files (well at least one that I saw) as well as a bunch of stems here:

http://www.cambridge-mt.com/ms-mtk.htm

There's no shortcut my friend, jump in and start wading.

[harryupbabble]

All MuLab demos can be downloaded as project files from the website. They only use Mux modules, but are quite informative.

Thanks very much for that, Michael. I got busy last night familiarizing myself a little bit with MuLab. It wasn't hard since it's kind of similar to REAPER.

But I did get confused at first because I thought that the files at the bottom of this page http://www.mutools.com/mulab-downloads.html were project files. It turned out they are actually MuLab VST instruments. But I learned how to install them in a couple of minutes.

The project files are here instead http://www.mutools.com/mulab/projects/

The demo MuLab DAW is not bad at all and seem easy to use and it will let loading of third-party VST plugins and record live instruments. Pretty above satisfactory, to me at least.

[harryupbabble]

Well, it's not my thing. I'd rather hear it bare and w/o vocals than something autotuny. What I was really saying is that colabs are not really that simple as mentioned about "stealing" (not to mention lazy people who say they'll do something and never do )

I guess you already know this but for those who might not know... auto-tune software alters human voice but the software I'm talking about is something like Plogue's Chipspeech and Alter/Ego. Plogue has demo versions. You type your lyrics and Chipspeech sings the lyrics. I think Vocaloid also does that but I'm not sure if there is a demo version. They all sound robotic and primitive now but who knows, maybe they can make them super-realistic in a couple of years or so.

I mean right now, for example, look at AT&T Natural Voices text to speech software here http://wizzardsoftware.com/text-to-speech-sdk.php. They don't sing but it doesn't seem impossible for them to sing. Eventually, maybe. Soon?

Regarding laziness, I don't know about other people but me I could appear lazy since I have many things to focus on and rarely stay focused on one thing. But I managed to create about 40 supersucky what-the-hell-am-I-doing "songs", hahaha. And I have been in the "beginner" mode song-wise, for a long time, because my main focus is speed scrabble, and not even truly focused on that either since true focus requires studying and memorizing words constantly and just living and breathing scrabble 24/7, which I don't do. I mainly only just play speed scrabble, no study at all. But right now I guess I am semi-focused on finding and studying project files.

[harryupbabble]

There are some reaper project files (well at least one that I saw) as well as a bunch of stems here:

http://www.cambridge-mt.com/ms-mtk.htm

Thanks very much for the link. Yeah, that's the site that inspired me to create this thread in the first place. I had that site bookmarked about a couple of weeks ago and I was going to provide the link here but had trouble finding the bookmark since I have so much bookmarks. But I tried to bookmark your link and sure enough it had the same bookmark name as my bookmark which was located in my "Miscellaneous" bookmark subfolder but nowhere in the bookmark's name is the word REAPER. No wonder I couldn't find it.

Anyways, there's 18 REAPER projects in that web page, just 2 short of my estimated 20 that I mentioned before in one of my previous posts in this thread. On that page, people just have to use their browser's "find" function and type "reaper" to locate the links to the 18 project files. I have been examining those project files and it seems I don't have 90 percent of the plugins required by most of the projects. But the projects will still load even if so many plugins are missing. They will sound "dry" instead of "wet" but they still sound okay. It's going to be fun and educational substituting freeware plugins for those expensive payware plugins.

I'm going to hunt some more for project files that can be loaded in demo DAWs and will provide links here later, if no one beats me to it, that is. I'm just about to check now if the currently most famous of all trackers named Renoise has a demo version and if there are many Renoise project files to download. I am now considering abandoning the idea of converting tracker project files to REAPER since it was a pain converting them (I tried). Tracker users seems more okay in sharing their project files compared to other DAW users since there seems to be tons of tracker projects downloadable everywhere compared to REAPER projects or Cubase projects or whatever. Might just be easier to learn the way trackers work instead of doing tedious conversions and just examine the project files directly there in them trackers. Thanks again.