u-he rePro in the works

[nevernamed]

Utter bollocks. They're a shitty company. This assessment is based on the back of my experience with the V collection. The only synths that would repeatedly crash the host application. They've had years to get that right. Just a few weeks ago I was playing around with their Oberheim SEM in Pro Tools. It crashed Pro Tools twice. Once on changing a preset and the second time, immediately after actually, was while sweeping between the Low Pass and the High Pass filter repeatedly. I have no tolerance for that kind of stuff anymore and like I said it isn't as if they didn't have enough time to sort this out. A u-he product has never once caused a crash in the host application. Their reliability record is flawless. The V collection is atrociously unreliable. They have a history of starting new projects before they've stabilised existing projects as well. I want nothing to do with them.

So, you classify a virtual instrument builder as "shitty" just because they happen to have a synth that crashes Pro Tools. Big news for you: I have many synths here that crash Pro Tools. Actually, Pro Tools is prone to crash with MANY plug-ins. So, are they all SHITTY companies, or is it Pro Tools fault? Digidesign/Avid have been launching "shitty" software for a very long time already (as using your own parameters). Evaluating a company performance based on the way a single software instrument behaves in Pro Tools is "shitty" argument. When here are so many software instruments doing badly in Pro Tools, and doing well in other hosts, whose to blame? The instruments, or the host?

"Big news for you: I have many synths here that crash Pro Tools." - Operative word there being "you" have many synths that crash Pro Tools.

"Actually, Pro Tools is prone to crash with MANY plug-ins." - Well not it isn't. My conclusions are anchored in first hand experience. There isn't anything you can rationalise here mate and there are no inconsistencies in my position. My Pro Tools doesn't crash. And I have no plugins other than Arturia that have been problematic with my Pro Tools rig. I know for a fact that the problem in my setup is not Pro Tools and that's all that matters. I wouldn't presume to tell you anything about your experience or setup.

But the Arturia crashes in Logic too. It also crashes in standalone mode. It's prone to weird glitches during normal operation. It's prone to weird glitches that sometimes cause loud digital noise problems during startup as well.

And if you're going to cherry pick I'll remind you those aren't the only problems I've enumerated. There are problems with their hardware too. There are problems with them starting up new projects while leaving the existing ones in precarious state. There is the customer service which is mediocre at best and on and on it goes. It isn't just that their software is unreliable.

Evaluating a company on a range of issues not just the stuff you cherry picked there. But for arguments sake in my world it's a perfect reason. Whatever I say actually is a good reason. In your world your criteria might differ I don't know and don't care really. I have zero tolerance for this kind of shit. One crash is enough. It seems like you and I play on different levels. I can't afford flaky software with what I do. It's not a matter of degrees either. Same goes for Pro Tools. When it starts crashing it goes too. I wouldn't defend Pro Tools like you defend Arturia.

[trimph1]

Ummmm... what was the Original Topic?

Oh yeah...something about u-he's rePro

[pdxindy]

Ummmm... what was the Original Topic?

Oh yeah...something about u-he's rePro

Looking forward to hearing it!

[HardSinc]

Interesting development. Was waiting to see if NI would follow up Monark with a Sequential Pro 5 for Reaktor.

SH101 of the same quality would be very very nice indeed. 303 also would be amazing and they would sell it by the shed load.

[hakey]

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[fluffy_little_something]

Maybe Arturia is not as bad as you think, in other people's view.
No idea how big they are as a company, but if it is just a few employees, they can survive on modest revenue, especially if some of them have solid day jobs.
There are various developers out there where one wonders how they survive...

[chk071]

Sorry to bang on about Arturia, but I've long wondered how a company with a relatively poor reputation and a patchy line of products has managed to survive for so long. Origin would have sunk most other companies. Are they (and other French software companies) benefiting from state aid?

I would say it's rather a perfect example why you shouldn't give a flying damn what smartypants, and people who think they speak for, or are, the majority claim on the internet. Arturia has always been a company which markets their products with the help of a lot of artist endorsements, and that seems to have worked nicely for them. I bet aside of the mainstream opinions presented here, they're quite successful with what they're doing. Of course, bedroom hobbyists will claim that their emulations are the crap of the crap, but as long as Jean-Michel Jarre and likes endorse, and use their products, i would say they couldn't care less about them.

[WolfKay]

Of course, bedroom hobbyists will claim that their emulations are the crap of the crap

Yeah, it's good to put a name on these people, from time to time.

[hakey]

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[Ingonator]

Sorry to bang on about Arturia, but I've long wondered how a company with a relatively poor reputation and a patchy line of products has managed to survive for so long. Origin would have sunk most other companies. Are they (and other French software companies) benefiting from state aid?

Just because certain KVR members are startzing flame wars against compaanies like e.g. Arturia and also Tone2 Audio does not mean they are right or that their opinion represents the opinions of the majority of people out there.

Besides that the recent sales for Arturia V-Collection 4 including very nice upgrade prices for owners of single Arturia plugins made V-Collection 4 a real bargain.

I do not claim that the sound quality is up to U-He Diva but anyway the Arturia plugins are really nice IMO.

Last bit not least Artuia is also selling hardware synths inclding real analogs and also MIDI controllers so ther are multiple ways for them to earn money.

[WolfKay]

Just because certain KVR members are startzing flame wars against compaanies like e.g. Arturia and also Tone2 Audio does not mean they are right or that their opinion represents the opinions of the majority of people out there.
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I do not claim that the sound quality is up to U-He Diva but anyway the Arturia plugins are really nice IMO.

My thoughts exactly.

[Numanoid]

Sorry to bang on about Arturia, but I've long wondered how a company with a relatively poor reputation

What reputation is that?

To me such statements are just weasel words, like sombody of FoxNews stating "I heard the other day that...."

To sustain such claims, why not update the profil description about the company at Wikipedia, with references, so it is easier to have an overview of the facts/claims in such matters:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arturia

[ariston]

Of course, bedroom hobbyists will claim that their emulations are the crap of the crap

Yeah, it's good to put a name on these people, from time to time.

Takes one to know one, apparently.

[chk071]

No idea how big they are as a company, but if it is just a few employees, they can survive on modest revenue, especially if some of them have solid day jobs.

Going by their website, they look to have a full time staff of over twenty people. Their annual wage bill must be going on 500k euros, if not more. Then factor in overheads, production costs, buying all of those artist endorsements...

They don't need to be bought. Ask Howard Scarr, and he will tell you that none of those endorsements have been bought (i didn't make that up, he wrote the same himself here). It's rather a win-win situation for both sides. Artists get attention - the company gets praise and attention that way.

[hakey]

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