Gforce Oddity2

[fluffy_little_something]

Isn't it the other way round? Such GUI's look better on 13" displays than on 30" displays, maybe because of the small pixel size and high resolution of modern monitors.

[mikebenson]

I have an Oddity2 license that I was considering offering up on the market place, but I'll give those in this thread first opportunity. PM me an offer. I will not be offended by lowballers... I just might not sell it at that price, and I don't mind haggling.

[Ingonator]

Actually now i have a quite big collection of ARP emulations:
- Odyssey : GForce Oddity 2

You seem to be on a constant crusade against anyone who claims that something an ARP 2600 emulation even exists even if tere are at least 3 plugins that to exactly that.

[david.beholder]

Concernig Arturia's 2600 V2 there are two (or more) plugins that are considered to be emulations

You know that term "emulation" has quite distinctive definition and we don't need redefinition here. Arturia's plugin doesn't emulate what it should: filter and osc behavior of original unlike say Oddity 2 that does emulate filter and osc sound on quite good level. I think you could do better than push Arturia cripple-synths in every emulation thread.

The comment of 100% replacement was concerning the Korg ARP odyssey hardware synth and this is still my opinion so Oddity 2 is not a perfect solution while it is still great as it is.

That's exactly what is inconsistnent.

If you think that Oddity 2 is not on par on hardware ARP or KARP -- you should never mention Arturia because it has no relation to original ARP.
If you thing Arturia is good emulation -- Oddity 2 is ARP with no ifs.

[chk071]

Concernig Arturia's 2600 V2 there are two (or more) plugins that are considered to be emulations

You know that term "emulation" has quite distinctive definition and we don't need redefinition here. Arturia's plugin doesn't emulate what it should: filter and osc behavior of original unlike say Oddity 2 that does emulate filter and osc sound on quite good level.

The definition of emulation is not about perceived quality or not. It either emulates something, or it does not. The end result is irrelevant for the approach. Model E emulated a Minimoog. Yet you wouldn't go around arguing that it's not an emulation, just because it has been surpassed by many synth in terms of Minimoog emulation by now.

I'm not surprised about your post though, because...

I haven't read whole thread and I hate Arturia.

[david.beholder]

The definition of emulation is not about perceived quality or not. It either emulates something, or it does not.

Exactly. And in case of sound of substractive synth it's about emulating sound of original synth, that Arturia fails to do completely.

I'm not surprised about your post though, because...

I haven't read whole thread and I hate Arturia.

Ahahahahaahah That was answer strictly for people with sense of humor because if you scroll up couple message above mine reply you'd see another reply that starts with "I haven't read whole thread and I...".

[chk071]

I see. Nonetheless are the Arturia synths all emulations, because ,in the sense of the word, they emulate their analog counterparts. I don't know why you deny facts. As i wrote, the end result is absolutely irrelevant. When i try to emulate a cuckoo's call, and i totally fail to replicate it, i still tried to emulate it. Not saying at all that this is the case here though, according to an article from a german audio site, they nailed the sound of the Minimoogs oscillators for example, and the filter fits at least with moderate resonance settings pretty well according to them, when A/B'ing it with the real thing. They also wrote though, and that seems to be a pretty common opinion, that Diva and Monark are more close to the real thing, especially on extreme settings. That's fair enough, yet Arturia's Minimoog, like their other synths, still are emulations.

[david.beholder]

I see. Nonetheless are the Arturia synths all emulations, because ,in the sense of the word, they emulate their analog counterparts. I don't know why you deny facts. As i wrote, the end result is absolutely irrelevant.

Ahahahah. The fact is you're wrong and please don't deny it.

If one processor 1 (or program on processor 1) is emulating processor 2 -- it means processor 1 could execute code from processor 2 (input) and return the same result (output). Emulation of synths is very similar you have input - synth interface and output - synth sound.

So when you're saying that Arturia synths all emulations - they are not - because they have don't sound similar to original regardless of anything.

[chk071]

Then neither Diva nor Monark are emulations too, because they don't output the same result. Even Diva and Monark sound pretty different when you listen carefully. And yes, i know that they aren't based on the same Minimoog model, yet the differences are quite audible, and they surely don't behave like the real deal in every condition of life either.

[david.beholder]

Then neither Diva nor Monark are emulations too, because they don't output the same result.

Diva - Urs has stated it quite a few times - never intended to be emulation. Altho it blows Arturia crapmulation out of water in terms of Oscillators and Ladder Filter behavior.
Monark is opposite. It's actually good emulation of Minimoog -- it's trying to mimic actual unit behavior and results.

You're hating it wrong

[chk071]

Then neither Diva nor Monark are emulations too, because they don't output the same result.

Diva - Urs has stated it quite a few times - never intended to be emulation. Altho it blows Arturia crapmulation out of water in terms of Oscillators and Ladder Filter behavior.
Monark is opposite. It's actually good emulation of Minimoog

See that's the point you're getting wrong. It's not about good or bad, it's about emulating, and the Arturia synths do that, no matter if you like it or not. We could discuss all day here, but the result stays the same.

[fluffy_little_something]

So, can an attempted or even failed emulation also be referred to as an emulation?
Is a copy a copy when something of the original is missing?

[2ZrgE]

An emulation is not a copy. You should look terms up if you not sure about their meaning.

I guess that Arturia hating guys does not know the exact meaning of the term either.

[Dasheesh]

I believe Arturia uses single cycle samples of the oscillators of the instruments they are trying to reproduce but every filter sounds the same. It's probably all the stock filters. Same as tone 2 stuff. Made one set of filters and uses it for all their instruments. They all sound the same to me.

A software instrument lives and dies by it's filters. Although, these days you can make a name for yourself by playing the game. You just won't have a lasting legacy. The filters on all the G force stuff are a thing of musical beauty.

[fluffy_little_something]

An emulation is not a copy. You should look terms up if you not sure about their meaning.

I guess that Arturia hating guys does not know the exact meaning of the term either.

I know they are not the same, it was merely an analogy.

To me emulation implies that it is successful. If not, the developer of, say, Charlatan could claim he intended to emulate the Jupiter 8 and who could prove him wrong?