How many times have you tried to leave KVR?

[elxsound]

I've never tried to leave. I guess there have been a few times when I went a month or so without posting but it wasn't because I decided not to post, I just didn't have much to say.

KVR was the first forum I was ever active in. After years of lurking on other forums, I just feel comfortable here (and on the Muffwiggler forum, to some extent).

It seems that some feel compelled to post (I guess, the definition of a compulsive behavior). I may have felt that way at one point (you don't get this close to 10,000 posts as a passive participant) but over the years, I started to feel compelled not to post unless I had something of substance to say. Not sure when that started... but judging by this post, that feeling must be fading.

Yeah, seriously... wtf are you saying???

Only playing...

I don't think I ever tried to leave either. I've also gone by with months in between posts, but seem to average a post a day now.

Some of the times that months went by, every time I saw a post I felt compelled to respond to, it often could have been summed up with one of these: So, I figured better to just look away... Everyone has to start somewhere.

[incubus]

Two problems with trying to leave:

-though I'm not even close to being the addict I was, I still am drawn like a moth to a flame. (and I wanted to communicate with a certain couple of fans about Roll Tide )

-there is useful information at times. It's still the best place to check on plug in/host updates. Routine this day an age is to be a little mischievous instead of being the "big stirring stick"

[fedexnman]

Two problems with trying to leave:

-though I'm not even close to being the addict I was, I still am drawn like a moth to a flame. (and I wanted to communicate with a certain couple of fans about Roll Tide )

-there is useful information at times. It's still the best place to check on plug in/host updates. Routine this day an age is to be a little mischievous instead of being the "big stirring stick"

RTR

[ghettosynth]

Routine this day an age is to be a little mischievous instead of being the "big stirring stick"

Indeed.

[harryupbabble]

Well, I've actually left for periods for being tired of some of this. Now I manage it by having an extensive foe list which means that when I read the threads a large number of people are blocked.

If by "leave" the OP means "this place is total crap and I must never visit it again" then I have never left KVR Audio. I have bookmarked this place and I pretty much lurk here a lot, mostly during meal times or when my other music+scrabble computer is doing tasks like archiving and duplicates finding and is et cetera tied up. I have a gadzillion bookmarks of other places but I guess KVR Audio is one of the top sites that I visit. There are long stretches of time where the urge to post is not there but for me that is true everywhere else internet-wise. Most times, there are only a few "I-want-to-respond-to-that" topics here at KVR Audio and elsewhere that I am aware of.

Tangently but perhaps relatedly, at Internet Scrabble Club, "foe list" is called "noplay list". In that list, I try to put everyone that I have ever played with that are slow (I would totally quit scrabble if the speed part of it is not there because without speed there is no adrenaline rush, there is only boredom). The problem is that it seems like there are 5,000+ slow players but the noplay list only has 20 slots. The slots are increased to 100 if one pays for membership. I might pay for membership if that 100 is increased to "unlimited" and IF the timer becomes adjustable to 10 seconds per move and IF I ever get a PayPal account.

The other problem (or blessing) is that I like speed scrabble and music-making 50/50. Hence I babble about scrabble as well as music-related stuff here at KVR Audio. Sometimes I think it would be better to just like one thing 100 percent because with liking two things, time division lessens both but with liking only one thing a lesser effect may be that one might babble mostly only about one thing passionately. On other hand, with liking two things, if one of the two becomes boring then the other is available and vice versa. Poleygamey?

Here at KVR Audio and anywhere else in the internet I have never put anyone in my "foe list". Noplay list is not the same as foe list because the people that I put in my noplay list are not foes at all because... real foes are equally fast (or faster) speed scrabble players and not slow boring ones. In speed scrabble, I put deadly speed scrabble opponents in my "friends list" because those people make me sweat and all excited and adrenalized (one cause of insomnia?).

[ghettosynth]

Well, I've actually left for periods for being tired of some of this. Now I manage it by having an extensive foe list which means that when I read the threads a large number of people are blocked.

If by "leave" the OP means "this place is total crap and I must never visit it again" then I have never left KVR Audio. I have bookmarked this place and I pretty much lurk here a lot, mostly during meal times or when my other music+scrabble computer is doing tasks like archiving and duplicates finding and is et cetera tied up. I have a gadzillion bookmarks of other places but I guess KVR Audio is one of the top sites that I visit. There are long stretches of time where the urge to post is not there but for me that is true everywhere else internet-wise. Most times, there are only a few "I-want-to-respond-to-that" topics here at KVR Audio and elsewhere that I am aware of.

Tangently but perhaps relatedly, at Internet Scrabble Club, "foe list" is called "noplay list". In that list, I try to put everyone that I have ever played with that are slow (I would totally quit scrabble if the speed part of it is not there because without speed there is no adrenaline rush, there is only boredom). The problem is that it seems like there are 5,000+ slow players but the noplay list only has 20 slots. The slots are increased to 100 if one pays for membership. I might pay for membership if that 100 is increased to "unlimited" and IF the timer becomes adjustable to 10 seconds per move and IF I ever get a PayPal account.

Here at KVR Audio and anywhere else in the internet I have never put anyone in my "foe list". Noplay list is not the same as foe list because the people that I put in my noplay list are not foes at all because... real foes are equally fast (or faster) speed scrabble players and not slow boring ones. In speed scrabble, I put deadly speed scrabble opponents in my "friends list" because those people make me sweat and all excited and adrenalized (one cause of insomnia?).

Well, I can't really dictate what KVR calls people on a list. The point is that I don't see their posts unless I actively click on them. KVR used to limit it to 20 as well and I spent way too much time managing that list. On a recent update it was increased to well above that. How much above, I don't know, I really don't know if there's a limit, but I do know that it's much higher than 20. I don't think that there needs to be one because very few people will exercise it in any meaningful way.

I still chat with most people who are on the list, it just requires more deliberate effort on my part and that little bit of friction makes a lot of difference in how frequently I respond.

Really, I think that it's better for everyone.

[incubus]

How about this instead: (and I'm REALLY going out on a limb here tonight)

Maybe just understand that people have feelings, and they don't all agree, and that unless it's some blatant out-right personal attack (which a few people do and do well) just try and not be the dork in these situations?

I know, it's a tough concept. But there are NO standouts. Just because you don't agree with a view doesn't make them a troll or an awful person.

Ok, I've done too much tonight........sighing off.........

[IncarnateX]

Just a comment on flame wars. While I think ghettosynth surely has a point about using the friend/foe function, I must admit that flamewars have their psychological benefits as well. First of all they can be an addictive challenge, a sport, in which your abilities to debate according to all rules of the discipline are taken to a test, including the use of insults, strawmen, overgeneralisations, provocations etc. These elements have always been weapons in intense debates, e.g. The debate culture of The British parliament never cease to amaze me though I am from a Viking culture where violent solutions to conflicts shouldn't be particularly alienating. Secondly, and as consequence of the above, the heat, intensity, arousal and adrenealine rush, can really make you feel alive and kicking. Unfortunately this is not without potential costs for people. Too much of it simply kills creativity for me and people may actually get hurt. Ain't that black and white to me, though I prefer civil discussions.

[ghettosynth]

How about this instead: (and I'm REALLY going out on a limb here tonight)

Instead of what, leaving KVR, or maintaining a foe list?

Maybe just understand that people have feelings, and they don't all agree, and that unless it's some blatant out-right personal attack (which a few people do and do well) just try and not be the dork in these situations?

I know, it's a tough concept. But there are NO standouts. Just because you don't agree with a view doesn't make them a troll or an awful person.

You know, for me, this just works better. I find it better to just not read what some people write in some contexts. It wastes less of my time and I enjoy KVR more. I'm not saying anything about people who are on my list except that they've said something at some point that triggers my desire to make it more difficult to respond to them.

The reasons are not all the same. There are a few people on my list whom I respect immensely, I just want to make sure that every response is careful because I know that talking with them can take me down a rabbit hole. Some people I want to respond to in some threads, but not in others. There are others whom I never read and I'm not going to lose any sleep over that. It's just a list that changes how KVR works. It's useful, I wish the friends list was as useful.

[zerocrossing]

I never left. I am sticking around until we resolve the analog vs. digital debate.

Me too!

Every now and then I'll get a bit bummed out by forums. Yesterday a post by one of the Gearslutz moderators made me want to leave Gearslutz and never return. The thread was about what modern analog synths sound vintage. Many posters basically said "MacBeth or none." Said moderator also guessed wrong on the OB8 vs Diva thread, but whatever. "Vintage" is also framed as "good" and everything else being less than. Someone mentioned they thought the SH2 plug in sounded vintage to them and they were attacked for daring to bring up software in a thread that clearly was titled "modern analog synths..." So, not only do we have to contend with the analog vs. digital debate, we also need to spend some time with the vintage analog vs. modern analog debate, at least on that forum. The snobbery of it all just got me down, even though I know it's mostly based on fear that the exclusive little club those guys are in will sooner or later be meaningless as technology progresses.

Here things can sometimes get contentious, but it's not as bad. People are a bit more open minded but. Do find the conversation can also get a bit dull and repetitive. Since the birth of my daughter I've been working from home, so these days these forums and Facebook are more or less my only social outlets, so... Well that's sad as well.

[trimph1]

This place is too eclectic to just up and leave....flouncing out might do.

[Gamma-UT]

So, not only do we have to contend with the analog vs. digital debate, we also need to spend some time with the vintage analog vs. modern analog debate, at least on that forum. The snobbery of it all just got me down, even though I know it's mostly based on fear that the exclusive little club those guys are in will sooner or later be meaningless as technology progresses.

Vintage analogue. That's nothing. You haven't lived until you've experienced the full force of the analogue-summing crowd. It's a close run thing between them and the Nebula groupies, who have achieved cult-like levels of belief, presumably because the technology itself is akin to homeopathy or sympathetic magic - "it's been touched by True Gear, therefore it must be good. Can't you hear the electrons move more freely?"

"Yeah, but it's basically impulse responses with fancier maths."

"Can't you hear? Touched. By. True. Gear."

There is also the weird love-repulsion fetish around Slate Digital. Weird place at times.

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I had a quick look at the vintage-analogue thread. I'm not sure whether the thread starter is a pillock or GS's mightiest troll. If troll, he is a master because wherever he goes chaos follows.

[.jon]

[Gamma-UT]

Yesterday a post by one of the Gearslutz moderators made me want to leave Gearslutz and never return.

And another thing...

The moderators there do some crazy things. In one thread an analogue zealot who runs his own analogue mastering bedroom studio posted some bogus hardware vs software compressor challenge in which he doctored the software files to make it seem one plugin didn't work properly (it was a Slate one inevitably). He basically sawed off the beginning. It was so obvious that it took me about five minutes to replicate, so I posted files to demonstrate what he'd done. Moderator deleted my post (the guy was temporarily stepping in and I guess Mr Bedroom Mastering got his complaint in first). I complained privately to mod. Mod locked the thread.

[ghettosynth]

I had a quick look at the vintage-analogue thread. I'm not sure whether the thread starter is a pillock or GS's mightiest troll. If troll, he is a master because wherever he goes chaos follows.

That thread is typical of GS silliness. OP ended up with an M1000