How many times have you tried to leave KVR?

[cryophonik]

Yeah, I skimmed that thread the other day and thought that it pretty much summarizes the current state of GS. While we're on the subject of KVR vs GS, I'd definitely be more apt to leave GS than KVR.

Anyway, I'm getting to the point where I never want to see or hear the word "analog"/"analogue" ever again. People keep using that word. It doesn't mean what most of them think it means.

[tehlord]

Yeah, I skimmed that thread the other day and thought that it pretty much summarizes the current state of GS. While we're on the subject of KVR vs GS, I'd definitely be more apt to leave GS than KVR.

Anyway, I'm getting to the point where I never want to see or hear the word "analog"/"analogue" ever again. People keep using that word. It doesn't mean what most of them think it means.

You need a modular and a Jupiter 8

[Gamma-UT]

That thread is typical of GS silliness. OP ended up with an M1000

I wouldn't be surprised if he wound up with an Integra 7.

[Gamma-UT]

Anyway, I'm getting to the point where I never want to see or hear the word "analog"/"analogue" ever again. People keep using that word. It doesn't mean what most of them think it means.

Yes. It's become a synonym for "physical" or "real", like "I'm disconnecting from the intertubes and going totally analogue this weekend". Which is very, very strange given what the word actually means.

I think there should be a campaign to make virtual analogue the real analogue or maybe analogue-squared because it's clearly an analogue of an analogue.

[Gamma-UT]

You need a modular and a Jupiter 8

"Pish. Not at those prices. All those muppets on eBay have pushed them up way too far. It's a ripoff I tell ya."

[cryophonik]

You need a modular and a Jupiter 8

Wow, that's very kind of you, Geoff! Ummm...is it OK if I put them on eBay to buy myself more digital synths and camera gear?

[tehlord]

You need a modular and a Jupiter 8

Wow, that's very kind of you, Geoff! Ummm...is it OK if I put them on eBay to buy myself more digital synths and camera gear?

[cryophonik]

I'm just glad that didn't say "bass", because nobody lays a hand on my G&L.

Anyway, enough of this. I'm leaving KVR for good this time.

[JerGoertz]

I recently realized how much time I waste on websurfing and on internet forums in general. If you're getting some value out of your time on KVR, then great, and there are certainly some knowledgeable folks here and some threads worth reading. I find that a lot of stuff (that I'm drawn to) on KVR ends up in flame wars and other interpersonal conflicts/drama, and I've come to consider this as just a cheap "thrill" that in retrospect has added no value to my life.

So, am I trying to leave KVR? Not entirely. But I'm "weaning myself off it."

[zerocrossing]

So, not only do we have to contend with the analog vs. digital debate, we also need to spend some time with the vintage analog vs. modern analog debate, at least on that forum. The snobbery of it all just got me down, even though I know it's mostly based on fear that the exclusive little club those guys are in will sooner or later be meaningless as technology progresses.

Vintage analogue. That's nothing. You haven't lived until you've experienced the full force of the analogue-summing crowd. It's a close run thing between them and the Nebula groupies, who have achieved cult-like levels of belief, presumably because the technology itself is akin to homeopathy or sympathetic magic - "it's been touched by True Gear, therefore it must be good. Can't you hear the electrons move more freely?"

"Yeah, but it's basically impulse responses with fancier maths."

"Can't you hear? Touched. By. True. Gear."

There is also the weird love-repulsion fetish around Slate Digital. Weird place at times.

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I had a quick look at the vintage-analogue thread. I'm not sure whether the thread starter is a pillock or GS's mightiest troll. If troll, he is a master because wherever he goes chaos follows.

Yeah, I avoid those threads altogether but sure. I stopped going to a guitar gear forum because of similar styles of sympathetic magical thinking. If a fuzz box has to use a 9v that has to be left out in the desert under a peyote pile overnight and then used to run a 1970s Motorola transistor radio for exactly the length of All Things Considered, I'm not interested in that sound or talking to those people. I accidentally mentioned that I preferred the sound of the Kemper to the AxeFX and I may as well have said I was deaf.

One thing I think I'd miss if I left KVR is the ability to irritate wagtunes. I can't quite explain why, but it's so fun to me. Maybe it's his avatar? I've never wanted to really punch an avatar before I saw his. Every time he posts I feel like Bugs Bunny popping out of a hole with a big bunch of flowers that squirt water. I hope he always puts up with me.

[Numanoid]

Vintage analogue. That's nothing. You haven't lived until you've experienced the full force of the analogue-summing crowd.

And when that battle is over, you need to face up to the "you post too much" hooligan crew

[jancivil]

I'm less enthusiastic about 'foe-ing' than I was with muting somebody. Yeah, I managed mutes a bit, w. 20 max. Not too difficult as I was at times muting people like I block 'em on Facebook, people that aren't worth 1/20th of yer list as they don't post at all frequently. Behind a single gobsmackingly mindless remark or stance typically enuff. That slot should be filled with someone that feels they have to post in virtually every thread.

I was off the 'net completely for over 4 mos in 2015. I care relatively little now about what people think and say, I don't much mess with 'the list' anymore.

KVR is the Isle of Misfit Toys, somehow suits me. But most of the time it's dullsville, for awhile now. To me, the whole analog v. VA is really uninteresting, the vast majority of what I'll do with a synthesizer is far beyond what any hardware even bothers with and I think that too much of the Difference is washed away where there is significant interest elsewhere in a production. Still I appreciate NI Monark, although my use of it has not been so vintage or cliché really.

[ghettosynth]

I'm less enthusiastic about 'foe-ing' than I was with muting somebody. Yeah, I managed mutes a bit, w. 20 max.

Right, it's not about "foes", it's about thinning the content. Kvr calls it a foe list, it's a mute list. The friends list serves no equally useful function AFAIK.

[ghettosynth]

Yeah, I avoid those threads altogether but sure. I stopped going to a guitar gear forum because of similar styles of sympathetic magical thinking. If a fuzz box has to use a 9v that has to be left out in the desert under a peyote pile overnight and then used to run a 1970s Motorola transistor radio for exactly the length of All Things Considered, I'm not interested in that sound or talking to those people. I accidentally mentioned that I preferred the sound of the Kemper to the AxeFX and I may as well have said I was deaf.

I really don't think that community understands how much impact their personal biases have on their perception. I think that it's much worse than the analog synth community. I had a TS-808 for years. I never sold it because it was genuinely useful in a number of ways. I only owned it because it was the cheapest distortion pedal in the pawnshop when I bought it.

Yes, I'm talking about the original with the square button.

Years later a friend asked me to mod his TS9 with the TS808 values. I did. Was there a difference, maybe, maybe not. I'm not sure that I could have passed a blind test. Functionally, the TS9 modded worked as well as the TS808. I still recall preferring the TS-808, but it has a more subtle and pleasing color, as well as better knobs, and there's something about the square button that's appealing. I can't help but believe that differences between virtually identical circuits boil down to perception.

So, yes, I sold the TS808 @ 10X purchase price and haven't really missed it. If I want it again, I'll buy a TS9 and mod it, or I'll just make one of my own. I even have vintage op-amps to put in it if that actually matters.

Yes, I went through my own tone quest a few times and I still really like my rebuild of a 57 mother of toilet seat magnatone into a similar vintage princetonish amp with a modern reverb circuit built from a mid 70s reverb tank. But, the last few times I've recorded guitar, once the recording is done, I find I can get sounds that I like from guitar rig. I have noticed that I don't like latency and I think that it impacts perception of sound.

One thing I think I'd miss if I left KVR is the ability to irritate wagtunes. I can't quite explain why, but it's so fun to me. Maybe it's his avatar? I've never wanted to really punch an avatar before I saw his. Every time he posts I feel like Bugs Bunny popping out of a hole with a big bunch of flowers that squirt water. I hope he always puts up with me.

That's funny. But, you know, your avatar is kind of punchable as well. Just saying.

I guess I need to have an avatar now. I mean, a fella can't just go round calling other people's avatars punchable and not put up one of his own.

[Robmobius]

Interesting thread this...

I've tried to quit KVR many times mainly because it's a time burglar and that there are very few users that are into the music I'm into.

The community itself is pretty cool in fairness. However, there are a few knobs here that could really do with a metaphorical slap.

What keeps me coming back is gear news (me being a gear addict). Then I see something interesting in the side bar and have to get involved.