Rhino Vs Sytrus

[Improv]

I am running on an LCD at 1280*1024. At this res, I do think my points above are true and go along with DB's view.

Compared to most other vsti's, the gui is small.
Also, I bet you also don't need to use glasses for computer work. It's hardly unknown, right?

[DevonB]

On my 17" 1280x1024 resolution on my LCD, Sytrus is really too small.

Devon

[Mirabebe]

If you believe that Sytrus inbterface is too small - you would probably feel the same way about FL Studio, which has a very compact interface. Sytrus - was created to primarily complement FL.

For users who feel the interface is too small - the advice is to decrease the resolution.

If you can't decrease the resolution because your other VSTi no longer fit - then your other VSTi are too big.

The whole point of high resolutions - was to use them with big monitors - so that you can fit alot more on the screen without sacrificing the readability.

[gbles]

Compared to most other vsti's, the gui is small.
Also, I bet you also don't need to use glasses for computer work. It's hardly unknown, right?

Oh, I agree with you.....I think/hope that is what I said in my post - I agreed with your view. It is smaller than every other VST that is out there. Despite this, I can get around most of it fine. I'd again agree I am probably an exception in that regard - my eyesight is still not too bad, probably above average for an aging programmer that stares at crap all day However, even with my Bionic-EagleEye vision I still cannot do anything precise in the additive section.

I guess the best way too sum up my experience is that although I can get by in Sytrus, if a new UI came out that was larger than the current one then I'd still definitely be very happy.

[pummel]

i dont know about your logic, gol and mirabebe.

sure, if you wrote sytrus just for the two of you, then fine -- its the right size !!

but if you wrote it with potential customers in mind, the should it not be the customers who define what 'right size' means ?

how difficult can it be to add a button which scales the graphics by 1.5X in both directions ?

[gbles]

For users who feel the interface is too small - the advice is to decrease the resolution.

And run your LCD outside of its native resolution?
I wouldn't say that 1280*1024 is so out of the ordinary these days. Most of the LCDs I've been looking at lately, before purchasing one, seem to run at this.

[Muff Wiggler]

i have a dual monitor config

one runs at 1280x1024

and the other runs at 1920x1600

i don't even bother with plugins that are too small

sytrus demo lasted about 45 seconds!

and they are both LCD, so 'decrease your resolution' isn't a worthwhile workaround.

In fact, even if they were CRT's (which don't care so much about 'native resolutions'), it STILL would not be a worthwhile workaround. There's a reason people like me are buying large monitors, and I'm hardly going to want my host to become huge and unruly so that I can make some plugin big enough to use.

Sorry, the host trumps the plugin, and will every time.

Unless you make me a plugin that wins the lotto for me

[Improv]

If you believe that Sytrus inbterface is too small - you would probably feel the same way about FL Studio,

Yup

For users who feel the interface is too small - the advice is to decrease the resolution.

If you can't decrease the resolution because your other VSTi no longer fit - then your other VSTi are too big.

What a load of rubbish. Users are supposed to change their whole setup just for one vsti? Most other vstis are no problem at all. Unlike you, most of us own several dozen soft synths and effects. Ask DevonB!

The whole point of high resolutions - was to use them with big monitors

Wrong! The point of higher resolution is to get sharper detail. I'd hardly call 15" monitors 'big', and yet they often come with 1280 x 1024 resolutions and have for a few years now.

- so that you can fit alot more on the screen

Also the reason for 19" vs. 15" monitors.

You're also contradictiong yourself here. Earlier you said to reduce screen rez. Why should users sacrifice screen real estate and use 1024 x 768 when most other vsti's are no problem at 1280 or higher?

I'm running 2 x 19" crt monitors. Rhino and the other vstis are a very readable size at 1280 x 1024.

The Sytrus gui is 1/2 the size of Rhino 2!

without sacrificing the readability.

Which is ***EXACTLY*** what Sytrus does.

[Big Tick]

Actually, if anyone wants a sytrus-size version of Rhino 2, it's quite feasible now with the new skin system. Best of both worlds I guess
This said, I have yet to receive a request for a smaller UI.

'Tick

[Improv]

On my 17" 1280x1024 resolution on my LCD, Sytrus is really too small.

Devon

Ahhh-go on Devon, buy it anyway. Who cares if you can't use Sytrus?

[Improv]

Compared to most other vsti's, the gui is small.
Also, I bet you also don't need to use glasses for computer work. It's hardly unknown, right?

Oh, I agree with you.....I think/hope that is what I said in my post - I agreed with your view. It is smaller than every other VST that is out there. Despite this, I can get around most of it fine. I'd again agree I am probably an exception in that regard - my eyesight is still not too bad, probably above average for an aging programmer that stares at crap all day However, even with my Bionic-EagleEye vision I still cannot do anything precise in the additive section.

I guess the best way too sum up my experience is that although I can get by in Sytrus, if a new UI came out that was larger than the current one then I'd still definitely be very happy.

Thanks for clarifying!

[Improv]

if you wrote it with potential customers in mind, the should it not be the customers who define what 'right size' means ?

Listen to potential customers!

What a concept!

[Improv]

Actually, if anyone wants a sytrus-size version of Rhino 2, it's quite feasible now with the new skin system. Best of both worlds I guess
This said, I have yet to receive a request for a smaller UI.

'Tick

Or we could leave Rhino2 out in the rain, let it shrink to 1/2 size!

[Mirabebe]

Sorry but i can't be arsed arguing on yet another forum. We can go back and forth, i say this, you say that and all, but i don't really give enough shit about opinions, collectively or individually. Felt compelled to say that since my reply doesn't follow form - everyone quotes sentence after sentence and gives nicely organized replies, like some kind of a debate competition.

I got and use Sytrus and don't give a damn about Rhino. If someone asked why not Rhino - i probably wouldn't be able to tell. I don't really get all sticky over plugins. Half the drooling on these forums i find incredibly boring.

Do whatever suits you. Everyone should go and buy Rhino coz it's larger.

What in the world compelled me to post in the first place... I'd take it back.

P.S: Thats not meant to say that Rhino is somehow bad. I think Daniel is a great developer and i am sure Rhino is marvelous. Didn't want to discourage. I don't drink goat milk - doesn't mean that they should stop making it, or that there aren't really great goar milk producers on top of their craft.

[DevonB]

For users who feel the interface is too small - the advice is to decrease the resolution.

If you can't decrease the resolution because your other VSTi no longer fit - then your other VSTi are too big.

Someone obviously doens't own an LCD monitor.

Devon