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incubus · Post by **incubus** » Sat Mar 05, 2016 7:52 am

Let me try to put my mini-rant into perspective:

I live in the 2+2=4 world. I know, it's stupid hun?

Why would you release a product that had certain things, then not have certain things, then say "well, we're working other things out first"

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mudrecords · Post by **mudrecords** » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:15 am

I have purchased an upgrade, given a token $1 donation, downloaded a demo song and am pretty happy so far.

One thing I'm confused about is the $1.63 additional fees I was charged in the checkout even before they knew my payment method. Anyone else have that appear? After I chose to donate $1 the additional charge went up, so it seems to be related to checkout total.

As for the UI, my first impression is that I like it. I read the post that stated 50% of the population have trouble reading white text on a dark background. I wonder if it's an age thing. As you get older, it becomes more difficult to see in low light. Perhaps that has something to do with it. Given the number of complaints I have read about T6 being ugly and so many other daws adopting a dark background, it's hardly surprising TSC decided to choose the UI they have. I quite like the shadowing in the track lanes.

I haven't done any recording yet. I am simply playing around with the demo song I downloaded.

One thing that struck me immediately was the minimised transport bar. It has the mixer icons for the master, but I think there is enough screen real estate to also have the mixer icons for the currently selected track, maybe to the left of the minimised bar. I personally think that would be useful.

So, far, so good for me and T7.

Paul

mudrecords · Post by **mudrecords** » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:03 am

and one more thing I'd like is to have more colour choices for tracks (unless that is already there and I am stupid for not seeing it!).
I like to have different colours for different tracks and different hues for variations within tracks e.g. mauve for male vox, purple for female vox, light blue for cool synths, darker blue for warm synths, different green for different styles of guitar.
Perhaps using ths space for the current 9 colour choices could be recoded to allow 16 (or 32) choices.

Paul

urlwolf · Post by **urlwolf** » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:04 am

Is there any way to assign a shortcut to 'save preset'? It's nice that you can tag presets, but it all stays in a proprietary database. Not ideal if 7 you want portability. Also, how would you import hundreds of fxp to the database?

urlwolf · Post by **urlwolf** » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:06 am

Is there any way to copy paste a preset from one instance of a vst to another? Mux does this. Very handy for creating fxb banks.

steff3 · Post by **steff3** » Sat Mar 05, 2016 5:30 pm

incubus wrote:Let me try to put my mini-rant into perspective:

I live in the 2+2=4 world. I know, it's stupid hun?

Why would you release a product that had certain things, then not have certain things, then say "well, we're working other things out first"

??

Because this is how software development works today (or for the last 20 years now) - Microsoft Softimage did that, Apple did that with Final Cut Pro X, etc. Microsoft, Apple and Google are doing it with their OSes all the time. Software is complex, if one makes deep changes those have to be consolidated before adding further (or even old features). On the other hand, software is developed in chunks and sold when chunks are ready.

They really update often - as it is usual in software development today.

best

pough · Post by **pough** » Sat Mar 05, 2016 6:48 pm

incubus wrote:Why would you release a product that had certain things, then not have certain things, then say "well, we're working other things out first"??

The colour scheme editor slows the development of features that they consider to be both more interesting and more important. In other words, 2+2=4 but 2+0=2 and when you're wanting better features quicker, the lower number is better.

fedexnman · Post by **fedexnman** » Sat Mar 05, 2016 7:27 pm

Maybe they can revamp a color editor that may not be as feature rich as the previous ones, that can stay out of the way of developing other features or just make a light ,medium , and defualt dark theme . Seems like Tracktion and Ableton has or had a feature rich color/theme editor . S1V3 color/editor seems very non intrusive and very basic ? Then you have Reaper I couldn't tell you half the features or how to on how to fool with the GUI . If that's all people have to complain about on this T7 release then they did a really good job on the rest of it as a release , I've been impressed.

urlwolf · Post by **urlwolf** » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:04 pm

Any way to mass import presets to this database? I tried drag and drop of a bunch of .fxp files to the browser. No cigar. No shortcut to save presets is a bit of a show stopper for me. I really try to love T7, but I cannot as it is. Preset management is not there yet. I remember asking for these features two versions ago. They never got implemented, and from the responses I got, my feeling is that they never will. Tracktion devs are similar to Imageline in that listening to customers is not the way they develop their product. Oh well.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:10 pm

I don't know many hosts that let you import fxp files into their own format, except for NI Kore and VIP which are meant as preset librarians, and Cubase I suppose which has the MediaBay. I think the point of Tracktion's own preset format is to save FX chains and multi instruments, I also use it to tag plugins, but otherwise like most DAWs actual preset management is pretty limited, you can browse and load/save them but not convert them. I'm more concerned about the lack of decent support for VST3 presets and AU presets but Jules says that is being addressed.

jabe · Post by **jabe** » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:50 pm

Can't you just stick the .fxp and .fxb in the folder with the plug-in? Won't they get picked up in the scanning?

urlwolf · Post by **urlwolf** » Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:53 am

jabe wrote:Can't you just stick the .fxp and .fxb in the folder with the plug-in? Won't they get picked up in the scanning?

That would be wonderful.

I rearranged my folders so all presets and dll are on a folder together. But tracktion doesn't pick up the fxps. nor the fxbs. Are you saying this is the way it should work?

urlwolf · Post by **urlwolf** » Sun Mar 06, 2016 7:57 am

No documentation makes it difficult to figure out things like this.

urlwolf · Post by **urlwolf** » Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:08 am

ok, I think I understand how it works. I can click load > fxp/fxb files and it shows the list of fxps that are in the same folder. But that has not imported such fxps to the database at all. Which makes it moot.

I really wonder if product managers actually use their products. They keep making cars without wheels. DAW makers of the world, please actually try to use your daws. You would find a lot of obvious missing features very easily.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:05 am

urlwolf wrote:ok, I think I understand how it works. I can click load > fxp/fxb files and it shows the list of fxps that are in the same folder. But that has not imported such fxps to the database at all. Which makes it moot.

I really wonder if product managers actually use their products. They keep making cars without wheels. DAW makers of the world, please actually try to use your daws. You would find a lot of obvious missing features very easily.

Generally the fxb/p files will be wherever the developer thought appropriate, often they are not with the plugin but in the plugin's supporting data folder eg Korg Legacy collection fxp/bs are usually in Application support/Korg on Mac and Program Files on Win. So the 'load from an fxb/p file' enables you to browse to where they are, what is shown by the load button is either the presets currently loaded in the plugin (some plugins carry their own set of factory patches built in) or what you have browsed to and loaded.

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