Rhino Vs Sytrus

[Improv]

i have a dual monitor config

one runs at 1280x1024

and the other runs at 1920x1600

i don't even bother with plugins that are too small

sytrus demo lasted about 45 seconds!

Damn Canadians! (Vancouver here.)

I like the sounds in Sytrus, but I'll be damned if I'm going to struggle with a microscopic gui.

and they are both LCD, so 'decrease your resolution' isn't a worthwhile workaround.

In fact, even if they were CRT's (which don't care so much about 'native resolutions'), it STILL would not be a worthwhile workaround. There's a reason people like me are buying large monitors, and I'm hardly going to want my host to become huge and unruly so that I can make some plugin big enough to use.

Sorry, the host trumps the plugin, and will every time.

Damn right, Wiggler, damn right.

[Mirabebe]

Someone obviously doens't own an LCD monitor.
Devon

Now i have to go back on my word and continue arguing.

You can't say "obviously" since it implies uncontestable truth, and it will be wrong - because i actually do own LCDs. So "obviously" is just really out of place.

[DevonB]

On my 17" 1280x1024 resolution on my LCD, Sytrus is really too small.

Devon

Ahhh-go on Devon, buy it anyway. Who cares if you can't use Sytrus?

Already reviewed it for Trax and commented on its size.

Devon

[DevonB]

Someone obviously doens't own an LCD monitor.
Devon

Now i have to go back on my word and continue arguing.

You can't say "obviously" since it implies uncontestable truth, and it will be wrong - because i actually do own LCDs. So "obviously" is just really out of place.

Well, then if you do, why in the world would you suggest another screen resolution when you know it makes the display "fuzzy" looking for?

Devon

[Improv]

On my 17" 1280x1024 resolution on my LCD, Sytrus is really too small.

Devon

Ahhh-go on Devon, buy it anyway. Who cares if you can't use Sytrus?

Already reviewed it for Trax and commented on its size.

Devon

Even better!

[kodama]

Hey I'm the original poster.

Everyone kinda chill, it's nice that Tick and Gol have graced us with their presence in this forum.

I do think Sytrus is small and could use some many friendly features, like Midi mapping, more envelope saving, etc..

Also, Tick has put lots of effort into making Rhino a very user friendly, flexible synth at a great price.

BUT-

I might still choose Sytrus over Rhino if I can't find some decent agressive patches that do what Sytrus does naturally...

It's got to be sound first, otherwise you're just building and stacking patches to make in one set of plugs what you could potentially make with just one other synth.

Can anyone point me to some good examples of these sounds that I could load into the Rhino demo?

It's not going to cause the end of the world, like a if Bush gets re-elected kind of debate, but I want one monster synth to concentrate on, and I've gotten down to these two.

[Big Tick]

Everyone kinda chill, it's nice that Tick and Gol have graced us with their presence in this forum.

Well, that's my forum, so you'd right to expect me around here

Can anyone point me to some good examples of these sounds that I could load into the Rhino demo?

Unfortunately no, because the demo won't load any additional presets. However, I know that Daniel will come up with mp3 demos of his moog bank soon, and you'll have to keep an eye on this one, because it's really amazing.

I want one monster synth to concentrate on, and I've gotten down to these two.

Be sure to give z3ta a try too. Nothing compares when it comes to hard-edged sounds. Oh well, now I'm pushing a competitor. I've always been terrible at marketing

'Tick

[kodama]

sytrus is indeed more expensive for non-FL customers, but can be as low as 3x (around $40) less expensive for FL XXL customers. Down to 3x less expensive and up to 1/2 more expensive depending on what you already own.

How do you see these prices? I was looking on the Fruitloops.com site & didn't see it. I don't own or plan to own FL, just because I've been focused on Live, but if it's that much of a price break...

unless you're only talking about the included presets, it just can't be for a FM synth. There's only 1 way to do FM, it's not like different filters. The same settings in any FM synth with the same shapes (let's take sines) will give you the same result. And if the presets aren't EQ to your taste, there's a built-in EQ anyway.

I would have to say that Sytrus sounds much different than Rhino, FM7, etc... It has a more prominent sound. Is it just the patches? How could I compare?

sytrus has a small GUI. For some like me it's a pro, for others it's a con. I definitely have something against oversized UI's.

I would like a larger gui for Sytrus. My new laptop was only available with a higher res screen.

[kodama]

Thanks for the suggestion, but I tried z3ta and it is was most piggie plug in I've ever used.

Tick, have you played with Sytrus, and do you understand what I'm talking about as far as the base sound of Rhino being different?

It seems more "loose" and less together, on bass especially.

Maybe I am missing something.

I'm only asking because I think otherwise, it's awesome!

[Jeremy_NSL]

well I don't believe Rhino uses oversampling, and many of the default sytrus patches use it. That for sure changes the character of the sound.

[tk421]

If Sytrus is too small for you put your chin on the F7 key.

[kodama]

Oh yeah, how about you put your chin on my.....

[Big Tick]

Tick, have you played with Sytrus, and do you understand what I'm talking about as far as the base sound of Rhino being different?

Well, we should be glad they sound different. It would be quite boring otherwise.
Anyway, presets like "rough saw brass" can be done with Rhino. Here's a 2 minutes primer:
- go to a preset, right-click and select "clear"
- go to oscillator 1, right-click in the "osc level" envelope, select "load env", and load the level/level organ.env
- change the oscillator shape to synthesized/superfat
- drag the osc1 tab to the osc2 tab to copy the oscillator settings
- go to osc2 tab and set the oscillator shape to synthesized/supersaw
- drag the osc2 tab to the osc3 tab
- go to osc3 tab and set the oscillator shape to synthesized/ultrafat
- in the matrix, set the raw output of the first 3 oscillators to 100
- play a note

Note, I've only used 3 oscillators, no filter, no modulations, no effects. But you have plenty of options on board is this sound isn't big enough for you

'Tick

[kodama]

Thanks Tick,

I'll give it a shot and let everyone know what happens!

BTW - are you the Super Hero Tick, or just like blood?

[topaz]

now, that is the words of a future IL employee if I ever saw one.

you will go far my boy

If you believe that Sytrus inbterface is too small - you would probably feel the same way about FL Studio, which has a very compact interface. Sytrus - was created to primarily complement FL.

For users who feel the interface is too small - the advice is to decrease the resolution.

If you can't decrease the resolution because your other VSTi no longer fit - then your other VSTi are too big.