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2ZrgE · Post by **2ZrgE** » Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:26 pm

Funny thing, I have no problem at all producing (never ever had writer's block or sth like that since I began this stuff), but I just don't have enough time/patience for sound design, so I mainly tweak presets. No one ever complained btw.

I guess for sound designers like you there has to be sth. like presets, only for tracks. Wait a minute...

What about using construction kits as a start for own creations?

AsPeeXXXVIII · Post by **AsPeeXXXVIII** » Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:54 pm

I wouldn't go as far as to call it cheating, but finding "your own sound" is always more fun and satisfying.

SampleScience · Post by **SampleScience** » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:43 pm

2ZrgE wrote:Funny thing, I have no problem at all producing (never ever had writer's block or sth like that since I began this stuff), but I just don't have enough time/patience for sound design, so I mainly tweak presets. No one ever complained btw.

I guess for sound designers like you there has to be sth. like presets, only for tracks. Wait a minute...

What about using construction kits as a start for own creations?

Personally, it depends on the project. I don't mind using presets and loops if the album/music I want to create require it. I'm not a purist...

Brittlestem · Post by **Brittlestem** » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:45 pm

dune_rave wrote:"About the use of presets, packs: is it cheating?"
Yes of course. This is cheating!
Your preset pack contains 500 presets? It's a bigger cheating.
Moreover....You use a daw that is programmed a developer? You cheat again!
Program your own daw, or use a wave editor, to create your tracks!
You own a hardware synth - this already has presets, another cheating.....
BTW, you didn't buy the software you use? Another big cheat.

This.
You use a piano that someone else built?
CHEATING.

lolilol1975 · Post by **lolilol1975** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:16 pm

deastman wrote:
T-CM11 wrote:
billcarroll wrote:Mozart was a fraud since he composed music using preset instruments. It's true. I read it on the Internet ... right after I posted it.
I know what you're saying, but it's still a bad example. Are you a fraud if you're thinking about an M1 preset while making something completely different? Mozart scribbled down compositional symbols on a piece of paper - he didn't program instructions that (necessarily) resulted in a certain sound.
Its a little-known fact that Mozart composed all his music while thinking about the M1 house piano patch. After that, he was imprisoned for using a preset. This is a true fact. I read about it on KVR.

He is said to have created a composition game that involved using dice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musikalis ... Crfelspiel

Coxy · Post by **Coxy** » Sun Mar 20, 2016 4:17 pm

About the use of presets, packs: is it cheating?

It's no more cheating that it's cheating to use manufactured bricks & pre-fab timber to build a house, pre-made filters for creative work in photoshop or pre-built scripts in web design.

I think the real issue is and what really irks people is some musicians spend hours programming a particular sound taking pride in their work and originality only for another musician to come along with a bag full of presets and samples and build a label worthy release whilst Musician A is still deciding how many milliseconds they want their decay to ring out. But really who cares. For every talented, genius, undiscovered artist out there there is another Damien Hurst around the corner.

If I use an INIT patch and build a sound just by adding another waveform I'm not "cheating" but if I use an init patch that someone else has changed slightly in the same way this is cheating? Or does it become cheating when I download that same patch with intent to use that patch rather than creating it myself?

What if all presets packs are used like INIT patches? Just initial templates on which to tweak your own sound to fit?

So on the cheating logic at what level does the "cheating" begin?

Daimonicon · Post by **Daimonicon** » Sun Mar 20, 2016 4:24 pm

dune_rave wrote:"About the use of presets, packs: is it cheating?"
Yes of course. This is cheating!
Your preset pack contains 500 presets? It's a bigger cheating.
Moreover....You use a daw that is programmed a developer? You cheat again!
Program your own daw, or use a wave editor, to create your tracks!
You own a hardware synth - this already has presets, another cheating.....
BTW, you didn't buy the software you use? Another big cheat.

And if your'e a guitarplayer, build your guitar, pickups, guitarpicks and amps. It's all about cheating.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sun Mar 20, 2016 5:26 pm

I'm a gi-tar player, I write songs, I write songs to play my gi-tar to. What's the difference between jamming to a preset or jamming with a keyboard player when it comes to my input?

Aleatoriac · Post by **Aleatoriac** » Sun Mar 20, 2016 5:34 pm

Yes. Yes it's cheating.

We are all cheats. Anything we do is cheating.

All we are is 80 or so average years' meal prepared for our gut bacteria.

Cheers!

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sun Mar 20, 2016 5:42 pm

Daimonicon wrote:
dune_rave wrote:"About the use of presets, packs: is it cheating?"
Yes of course. This is cheating!
Your preset pack contains 500 presets? It's a bigger cheating.
Moreover....You use a daw that is programmed a developer? You cheat again!
Program your own daw, or use a wave editor, to create your tracks!
You own a hardware synth - this already has presets, another cheating.....
BTW, you didn't buy the software you use? Another big cheat.

And if your'e a guitarplayer, build your guitar, pickups, guitarpicks and amps. It's all about cheating.

haven't built an amp yet, working on that (nor have I made pups but there are kits out there)...built guitars, built pedals and yes I have made my own picks out of brass one is now 34 years old

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Sun Mar 20, 2016 5:54 pm

Hink wrote:
Daimonicon wrote:
dune_rave wrote:"About the use of presets, packs: is it cheating?"
Yes of course. This is cheating!
Your preset pack contains 500 presets? It's a bigger cheating.
Moreover....You use a daw that is programmed a developer? You cheat again!
Program your own daw, or use a wave editor, to create your tracks!
You own a hardware synth - this already has presets, another cheating.....
BTW, you didn't buy the software you use? Another big cheat.

And if your'e a guitarplayer, build your guitar, pickups, guitarpicks and amps. It's all about cheating.
haven't built an amp yet, working on that (nor have I made pups but there are kits out there)...built guitars, built pedals and yes I have made my own picks out of brass one is now 34 years old

Its cheating if you build your pickups from a kit.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sun Mar 20, 2016 10:17 pm

deastman wrote:
Hink wrote:
Daimonicon wrote:
dune_rave wrote:"About the use of presets, packs: is it cheating?"
Yes of course. This is cheating!
Your preset pack contains 500 presets? It's a bigger cheating.
Moreover....You use a daw that is programmed a developer? You cheat again!
Program your own daw, or use a wave editor, to create your tracks!
You own a hardware synth - this already has presets, another cheating.....
BTW, you didn't buy the software you use? Another big cheat.

And if your'e a guitarplayer, build your guitar, pickups, guitarpicks and amps. It's all about cheating.
haven't built an amp yet, working on that (nor have I made pups but there are kits out there)...built guitars, built pedals and yes I have made my own picks out of brass one is now 34 years old
Its cheating if you build your pickups from a kit.

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Sun Mar 20, 2016 10:20 pm

About the use of presets, packs: is it cheating?

This can only be asked by someone who isn't really into producing.