Attack of the 60-Dollar DAW!

[pough]

So what you are saying is "I am happy with x32, so most people must not use the extra resources available in x64"
Which is utter nonsense, we are in the time of huge sample banks, and RAM is of utmost importance to the majority of composers

I'm sorry, but is "RAM is of utmost importance to the majority of composers" a claim that you can back up with actual data or are you doing precisely what you're criticizing spaceman for doing, which is extrapolating your own experience onto "the majority".

[spaceman]

So what you are saying is "I am happy with x32, so most people must not use the extra resources available in x64"
Which is utter nonsense, we are in the time of huge sample banks, and RAM is of utmost importance to the majority of composers

I'm sorry, but is "RAM is of utmost importance to the majority of composers" a claim that you can back up with actual data or are you doing precisely what you're criticizing spaceman for doing, which is extrapolating your own experience onto "the majority".

Thanks to bungle we now know that the majority of DAW users are composers using huge sample banks.

Do the software developers know about this already? I'm sure they'll be interested to know. Renoise and Ableton, for instance, are recommending 32bit for most people on their website's FAQ, so we should tell them so they can change their recommendations.

[pquenin]

I love Mulab and Tracktion.
Reason Essential 8 is also a great package for the price (69€, used to be 49€).

[trimph1]

Back to the old 32 vs 64 bit arguments.

Le Sigh.

[pquenin]

32 bits vs 64 bits : there is a good article on the MeldaProduction site.
https://www.meldaproduction.com/audiotu ... 32vs64.php

I think 32 bits is still a good choice, and maybe a better choice if you have lot of 32 bits plugins, and not much memory on your system.

[Boardwalk]

Sometimes I wonder if Melda's still on XP.. bogus.

[ghettosynth]

You don't need 64 bits, you don't even need 32, you can make all kinds of music with a single bit, two bits is just plain fancy.

https://archive.org/stream/catalogueno1 ... 4/mode/2up

[trimph1]

Why use bits at all?

A Fostex 4 track or Wollensack tape recorder was all one needed....

[ThomasHelzle]

One bit of inspiration, one bit of talent, one bit of equipment, one bit of fun - 4 bit seem enough to me.

Cheers,

Tom

[dsan@mail.com]

4 bits and a wig Tom

[bungle]

So what you are saying is "I am happy with x32, so most people must not use the extra resources available in x64"
Which is utter nonsense, we are in the time of huge sample banks, and RAM is of utmost importance to the majority of composers

I'm sorry, but is "RAM is of utmost importance to the majority of composers" a claim that you can back up with actual data or are you doing precisely what you're criticizing spaceman for doing, which is extrapolating your own experience onto "the majority".

Yes you can back it up with data, or are you just ignoring the multitude of multi GB sample banks for Kontakt and UVI that are released every single day of the week (Go look at the KVR newsfeed)
Or do you honestly think that all these commercial enterprises are doing this in the continual hope that one day, composers will actually use their product ?
They are continually releasing because that is what is currently selling well.
But wait, lets step back here and simplify this, are you really, really saying that RAM is not of utmost importance to composers ?
So let me guess you are running a 32 bit OS, with 128mb of RAM right, because RAM is just not important.

Do not try and create arguments where there is non, RAM is of utmost importance to all composers, be it in an X32 or X64 system.

Thanks to bungle we now know that the majority of DAW users are composers using huge sample banks.

Do the software developers know about this already? I'm sure they'll be interested to know. Renoise and Ableton, for instance, are recommending 32bit for most people on their website's FAQ, so we should tell them so they can change their recommendations.

Are you trying to be funny, you seem to be failing miserably ?
Please point to the links where these companies recommend 32bit, i only see 32bit recommendations if the users has mostly 32 bit plugins.
But hey, if you are happy with 32 bit, stick with it.

[trimph1]

I agree with bungle here. 64bit does address a lot more RAM than 32bit. Why has this become a bone of contention here?
Defensive much?

[ThomasHelzle]

4 bits and a wig Tom

[spaceman]

I agree with bungle here. 64bit does address a lot more RAM than 32bit. Why has this become a bone of contention here?
Defensive much?

Have you all gone bonkers? Maybe reading the actual posts would help. Who ever said that 64bit doesn't address more RAM? It does, and that's a fact, and it is indeed pretty much the only reason why you would use 64bit. What I do contest is that everyone is a 64bit user these days and that all DAW users are composers using huge sample banks.

All the rest bungle invented, took out of context or plainly ignored to fit his argument.

I use 64bit myself for Logic and Ableton, but I happily use 32bit for Reaper and until recently Renoise, as it doesn't make a difference for me. Frankly, I'm sure that it doesn't make much difference for the majority of DAW users, as the majority are not composers using huge sample banks. But apparently, according to dungle, everyone is using large sample banks because the sample bank companies are doing a lot of advertising and releasing lots of huge banks.

[pough]

Yes you can back it up with data

You haven't backed up your statement with relevant data. The only data that matters is the percentage of 32-bit vs 64-bit hosts being used. Anything else is supposition or distraction. Your claim is that the vast majority of hosts being used are 64-bit. I haven't made a claim. I have only questioned yours.

Or do you honestly think that all these commercial enterprises are doing this in the continual hope that one day, composers will actually use their product ?

I honestly think that there is a market for those products. You can make products for a minority market. Please note that I am not saying that 64-bit hosts are in the minority. I'm simply saying that your argument is unpersuasive. The existence of a type of product says little about the market share of its potential buyers. For example, music making software of all bit depths is being produced even though music producers are probably the minority among all computer users.

But wait, lets step back here and simplify this, are you really, really saying that RAM is not of utmost importance to composers ?
So let me guess you are running a 32 bit OS, with 128mb of RAM right, because RAM is just not important.Do not try and create arguments where there is non, RAM is of utmost importance to all composers, be it in an X32 or X64 system.

I think you should take your own advice. You're creating arguments where there are none. I have no argument for the utility of RAM in general. I wouldn't agree, though, that it is of utmost importance to all composers. Some will have more need of CPU than RAM.

For the record, I recently switched to 64 bit. The only reason is that my old music computer died and I've had to start fresh (Tracktion and FL Studio, BTW). I have never once needed to use a 64-bit host for RAM reasons. But I don't have much use for large sample libraries. Most of my needs are met by Addictive Drums, soft synths, and recorded audio. I'll run out of CPU before I run out of RAM. I have no idea if I am in the minority or majority, which is why I've never made any claims one way or the other.

Oh, and to deal with the OP: it depends on the kind of music you're making, of course. For guitarists I would recommend Tracktion. It has a left-to-right flow that doesn't bake your brain. I haven't tried Reaper in a long time, but I couldn't get into it. I know it's very powerful, but I don't need powerful as much as I need simple.