Envelope help -SOLVED - CS Piky Mux on page4

[Taifunk]

thanks sl23
as he has said bibz1st just keep it simple ,the mux envelopes are very flexible
I did something very quickly maybe approached the envelope
there is a little trick to see and copy the curve of the envelopes tomorrow I try to explain
I'm going to sleep
I leave the modified patch, play around with attack and release, I hope this can help guys

[sl23]

Thanks Taifunk

After playing with it, and the other variations, I have found the best sound comes from my original and Taifunk's last mod above.

Regarding the envelope. I've been trying out the MPE and see how flexible it is, but it still doesn't seem to be able to achieve what I want. I'm assuming it needs to react in a different way dependant on how you play. So it needs to be dynamic. Play and let go of the note and the envelope finishes to it's natural end, but hold a note and it stops the envelope dead, perhaps as soon as the decay portion has finished and before the release stage starts, thus Sustain is not needed as I found out messing with the MPE. I removed all points so there are just three portions of the envelope, Attack, Decay and Release. I also placed a downward curve on the Release to give more of a pluck/plink sound. Seems a little better.

I realise it needs to be kept simple and I have tried. The reason for three Osc's is because the instructions explain how Piky.vst is built. Osc1 is a sine wave, Osc2 is not explained but sounds like an additional sine and simply has on/off. Osc3 adds 2 detuned saws to the mix, though I added three.

I like it how it is apart from the playing dynamics, that's my main problem that doesn't appear to have a solution.

I'm wondering though if there's some way of detecting note off from another module and either applying a second envelope while cancelling the current? Or this second envelope somehow detects the volume drop from the release stage and silences the audio? Maybe not the right way to do it but I'm out of ideas on this!

[Taifunk]

thanks sl23, I'm glad ,it is a pleasure
regarding the simplicity I was referring to the modulations ,the patch is done well
I tried to improve a little bit the patch,moved in polisynth so you have the polyphonic version
I'm playing a bit with Piky now I read the manual,
if you use a modulation mapper after the envelope you can adjust the curve and If you combining different envelopes surely will get more complex curves
surely there is a way, I have to study for a moment the situation just turned on the pc
I made two quick examples and waiting bibz1st also, maybe he can help us

[bibz1st]

Where are the instructions / manual ?

[Taifunk]

Please re-download the patch updated, I uploaded the wrong one
in the zip file there is only a picture, maybe SL23 has a manual

[sl23]

No, that's what I meant, just the pic. I tried to do what I could by mimicking the sound by copying those instructions.

Thanks again Taifunk, I'll try that in a little while, just having lunch here

As far as modulation is concerned, I'm afraid to say I'm a bit clueless

[bibz1st]

I see no pic, just to be sure, we are talking about this are we....

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[Taifunk]

I have this

[sl23]

Yes that's the VST and the instructional picture

[Taifunk]

No, that's what I meant, just the pic. I tried to do what I could by mimicking the sound by copying those instructions.

Thanks again Taifunk, I'll try that in a little while, just having lunch here

As far as modulation is concerned, I'm afraid to say I'm a bit clueless

no problem I have now finished lunch
about the modulations intend to use only an envelope followed by a modulation mapper module, so you can adjust the curve without using so many things I think the simplest way
I made a further change, before I had messed around a bit with the parameters

Edit: I set the start phase to zero in the oscillators (in the layer option)This adds more snap to the sound ,because I noticed that the oscillators in Piky are not free running
I hope this can help, at the moment I can not do more than that, surely bibz1st will add something good helping us

thanks sl23 I repeat it is a pleasure, we are here for and it's good help each other
sorry again for my bad English

[sl23]

You're English is fine Taifunk Maybe not perfect, but then I only speak English so I can't complain!

What does the ModMapper actually do to the sound?

Thanks for putting it all in the Polysynth, I forgot about polyphony!!! It sounds much nicer too, more like the original, which is fantastic. I didn't realise what the Start Phase was! Such is my limited knowledge of synthesis Normally I just look for sounds that I want, Mux is quite a bit out of my league, but still fun to play with!

The play behaviour remains the same and is opposite to the VST. Hmm, I think either someone with more knowledge will be needed or perhaps it's not possible? JO... Could you explain if at least it can be done please?

[MuTools]

I'm not following this topic as i assume it will be a user topic. If someone thinks there is a bug or something essential missing please describe it as brief as possible yet as detailed as necessary. Forgive me my try to spare time. Any spared minutes will be invested well.

[MuTools]

PS: sl23 please do study the basics of sound and synthesis. It is essential !!

[sl23]

I realise that Jo, sorry, I just wanted to know if it's possible within Mux, just a yes or no, would suffice. Just so I know I'm not wasting my time with this.

I do understand the basics but this isn't basic, it would seem, as others who know more than me are stumped!

Can a Held Key shorten Release Time, whereas play and release of a key lets the note play on for it's designated Release Time.

Thanks.

[bibz1st]

I'm actually at work so its kind of awkward to find time to play, but I cant really see the problem, Ive been using the "Plucked" patch to compare and the normal ADSR envelope gets as close as anything as far as I can tell.