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sl23 · Post by **sl23** » Wed Mar 16, 2016 3:09 pm

Sorry to interrupt you at work bibz1st! I can wait for your reply so please don't get in trouble at work!

It may be that this isn't about the envelope, I don't know. It's about playing dynamics, which I assumed was to do with the envelope?

Do you understand my problem? As it would seem you do not. I'll try to explain in more detail...

1. Load Piky.vst
2. Make sure the 'Simple' preset is loaded.
3. Zero Reverb, Osc3 and make sure Osc2 is off.
4. Play any note and quickly let go.
5. Notice the release time doesn't just stop on note off but continues to play until the volume reaches zero.

Now, repeat the above procedure for CS Piky TEST.mux it doesn't behave the same way. When you let go of a note it stops playing. This is exactly the reverse of how I want it to play.

Next follow this procedure...
1. Load Piky.vst
2. Make sure the 'Simple' preset is loaded.
3. Zero Reverb, Osc3 and make sure Osc2 is off.
4. Play any note and HOLD.
5. Notice that holding the note stops it dead.

Again, repeat this with CS Piky TEST.mux and you'll see that it again works in reverse to how I would like it to.

The question is, how do I reverse this behaviour?

Taifunk · Post by **Taifunk** » Wed Mar 16, 2016 3:21 pm

try this my patch, is this what you want to achieve?

bibz1st · Post by **bibz1st** » Wed Mar 16, 2016 3:26 pm

Ok no worries, looking at yours I can see you have the Release and Sustain connected to a Metaparamter, delete the sustain and put sustain to zero in the envelope. then bring down the decay and bring up the release, youll have to play around with those 2 to find the sweet spot your after.
Also a little tip, not really helpful in this situation but for future reference, right click the ADSR and edit properties, deselect bipolar, open the ADSR and see what happened, it just makes things easier to read sometimes.

Taifunk · Post by **Taifunk** » Wed Mar 16, 2016 3:50 pm

bibz1st wrote:Ok no worries, looking at yours I can see you have the Release and Sustain connected to a Metaparamter, delete the sustain and put sustain to zero in the envelope. then bring down the decay and bring up the release, youll have to play around with those 2 to find the sweet spot your after.

ok bibz1st i followed your instructions and modified the sl23 patch

bibz1st wrote:Also a little tip, not really helpful in this situation but for future reference, right click the ADSR and edit properties, deselect bipolar, open the ADSR and see what happened, it just makes things easier to read sometimes.

This is very useful thanks

the only bug I found, is in my English

try this sl 23

sl23 · Post by **sl23** » Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:05 pm

NOW, I'm confused!!! How did you do that?

The only Env parameters that have changed from default are Dec and Rel. Yet I tried that the very first attempt and it didn't work?!

bibz1st · Post by **bibz1st** » Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:10 pm

I think it was the fact you had Sustain tied to the Release, so when you upped the release length the sound always stayed on a little as the sustain went up too.

sl23 · Post by **sl23** » Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:16 pm

I only did that because using only the Decay/Release knobs didn't work, that's why I'm confused!

bibz1st · Post by **bibz1st** » Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:20 pm

I suspect you weren't setting the decay short enough but I may be wrong on that, does it work how you want now ?

sl23 · Post by **sl23** » Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:28 pm

Ah I see, now I understand Jo's comment!

What a pain the ass! Can't believe it was that simple, though I'm sure I had the decay low, oh well, lesson learnt!

Thanks so much for your help

bibz1st · Post by **bibz1st** » Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:33 pm

Here's what I had going, I hadnt done any distortion or such like just wanted to get that plucked sound. Look into the 2nd Osc, the MFO and you'll see that with the use of that parameter event generator how to select different wave shapes with one control which should help in your recreation

Taifunk · Post by **Taifunk** » Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:48 pm

We achieved the goal

this is the important thing

thanks guys

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:53 pm

Happy to see it has been solved. Thx to the contributors!

sl23 · Post by **sl23** » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:08 pm

Sorry for misunderstanding you Jo, I thought it was more complex due to my mistake!

BIG thanks to Taifunk and bib1st for your help.

I love the plinky sounds you got going there too, great stuff, I sort of got it but it sounds kind of distorted even without the distortion module and on a lower volume?

And that MFO Wave Index is fantastic!!! Shame there isn't a knob like this for selecting between all available waves! Still, that's a massive help, thanks again bibz1st. Amazing how deep this thing is!

Taifunk · Post by **Taifunk** » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:43 pm

Thanks Jo and we have not encountered any bugs

Thanks sl23
surely the patch needs to be improved,
Thanks bibz1st He reminded us the fantastic mfo!
and let's not forget that we now have also audio rate modulation

and a plethora of great features

THX Jo

I want to leave a patch along with that of bibz1st
I made a very simple audiorate example using your patch sl23

sl23 · Post by **sl23** » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:48 pm

Wow! All these patches are making my head spin. I'm trying to figure out which bits are best and how to get them into one single patch! Keep me busy for a while, along with all my MC-909 samples I'm converting into MuSynth patches! At least I'll have something to share with you guys

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