KVR Audio

Taron · Post by **Taron** » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:02 pm

I wouldn't rule that out, but it surely shouldn't crash there either. You could download Mulab and try it with the free version!
I could send you the track, too, actually! But...I've never managed to debug my VST with mulab for some reason. Might just be me, who knows?!

Anyway, yes, hahaha, I've got a snapshot for you:

Sinnah_0.3.jpg

Funny enough, I thought I was crazy for a moment, because I opened another instance of Sinnah and it only went in real numbers, not even showing any floating point, hahaha...

...but then I picked the one I just knew it had it and sure enough. Also, increments went from 0.3 to 2.8 and so on, hehehe...fascinating!

Thanks, Dragon!

Taron · Post by **Taron** » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:08 pm

The other thing to consider (excuse the double post) is to have a number of instances running at the same time with a fair amount of notes playing. Sounds trivial and like it shouldn't matter, but who the heck knows, you know. VSTs are sneaky little bastards and I don't fully trust the SDK anyway, hahaha.

So, yeah, try having 10 instances rocking out with a bunch of automation...kind of kitchen-sink-ish, hehehe. It's funny how it sometimes feels/sounds like it was my fault this stuff is happening, but I know you wouldn't want to be sent on a wild-goose-chase. Anyhow, you've got my report.

Dragonsongz · Post by **Dragonsongz** » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:16 pm

Taron wrote:
Thanks, Dragon!

No problem man!

liqih · Post by **liqih** » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:17 pm

Taron. Yes I was able to set 0.3 in Reaper, but not in Ableton Live which goes 0.0 0.5 0.8,
in Reaper 0.0 0.3 0.5 0.8,
that's fine tuning with shift+click, so it just looks that fine tuning is less sensitive in Live,
ok, but not 0.25! So I will download MULab and check there.

Anyway in Reaper doesn't reset to 0.0 on project reload, stays in 0.3 correctly, and no crashes so far. Let's see if I can debug with MULab. Thanks.
BTW if you find a way to reproduce stuck notes consistently that would help also, and we may go on by PM or e-mail to me, to get this out of OSC thread? I can reproduce stuck notes changing octave before note off but that's known and easy to fix.

sfiks · Post by **sfiks** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 6:15 am

I will be busy this month,
so here it is my entry with 1 instance of Sinnah (default preset)
in Reaper. Plugin - JS: Utility/limiter

https://soundcloud.com/slava-fiks/prayer

With Garry Knight's permission here is his video (starts at 0:30)
with my music

mmoncur · Post by **mmoncur** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:28 am

I like Sinnah very much (although it's quirky as heck) and am already using it for a bassline in one of my "real" tracks. So I might actually try the OSC this time... I'll see if I have time.

liqih · Post by **liqih** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:28 pm

Warning!

I discovered a bug in this young untamed creature named Sinnah, it would crash if you open the GUI while dense automations of parameters (as many events per second) are playing back.
So until next release, if you use Sinnah in a MIDI track with a lot of parameter automations try to keep the GUI closed while it plays back.

bjporter · Post by **bjporter** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:51 pm

liqih wrote:Warning!

I discovered a bug in this young untamed creature named Sinnah, it would crash if you open the GUI while dense automations of parameters (as many events per second) are playing back.
So until next release, if you use Sinnah in a MIDI track with a lot of parameter automations try to keep the GUI closed while it plays back.

I've been experiencing a few very fatal blue screens of death, is that what you're seeing? (I'm not sure they are related to sinnah... might be because of too many GPU effects, but we'll see)

liqih · Post by **liqih** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:09 pm

bjporter wrote:
liqih wrote:Warning!

I discovered a bug in this young untamed creature named Sinnah, it would crash if you open the GUI while dense automations of parameters (as many events per second) are playing back.
So until next release, if you use Sinnah in a MIDI track with a lot of parameter automations try to keep the GUI closed while it plays back.
I've been experiencing a few very fatal blue screens of death, is that what you're seeing? (I'm not sure they are related to sinnah... might be because of too many GPU effects, but we'll see)

No no, Sinnah should not be able to do blue screens . The maximum it can do is to crash the host, under the circumstances I mentioned.

Taron · Post by **Taron** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:41 pm

Eh, some hosts respond with a blue screen to anything that crashes them, particularly if you're using ASIO! This is my experience. So, while it may not be the plugin itself causing it....yadda, yadda...

liqih · Post by **liqih** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:32 pm

Taron wrote:Eh, some hosts respond with a blue screen to anything that crashes them, particularly if you're using ASIO! This is my experience. So, while it may not be the plugin itself causing it....yadda, yadda...

Did you? I never seen a VST host bringing up the blue screen in Windows. Unless is the audio driver crashing, yes but very rare, and a plugin can't crash the audio driver, at least it never happened to me in 12 years. Not a rule, I know, but in 12 years I ran hundreds thousands of plugins in almost all possible hosts.
More often I had a video driver or LAN driver giving blue screens.

bjporter · Post by **bjporter** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:40 pm

liqih wrote:I'll do some experimenting

GPU plugins are very experimental, so that's probably the issue...

liqih · Post by **liqih** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 9:04 pm

bjporter wrote:
liqih wrote:I'll do some experimenting
GPU plugins are very experimental, so that's probably the issue...

No sure what you mean with GPU plugins bj.
Sinnah is a plugin as I aways did, the only difference is that instead of bitmaps for knobs ad background I use dynamic drawing. But I used the same dynamic drawing in other plugins too, just for displays, like in Modelonia and Prima Delay.
So in no way I'm using the GPU directly if that's what you mean with "GPU plugins".

bjporter · Post by **bjporter** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 9:25 pm

liqih wrote:
bjporter wrote:
liqih wrote:I'll do some experimenting
GPU plugins are very experimental, so that's probably the issue...
No sure what you mean with GPU plugins bj.
Sinnah is a plugin as I aways did, the only difference is that instead of bitmaps for knobs ad background I use dynamic drawing. But I used the same dynamic drawing in other plugins too, just for displays, like in Modelonia and Prima Delay.
So in no way I'm using the GPU directly if that's what you mean with "GPU plugins".

Reverberate LE has a mode that runs the DSP off of a GPU rather than your cpu. I could run 8 instances of it on my 8800 GTX but i have a new video card and it doesn't seem to support it as well... thus when I duplicate the channel with it on, it causes the blue screen.

Taron · Post by **Taron** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 9:47 pm

My Asio drivers crash 100% of the time, especially when using NI's KOMPLETE AUDIO 6. Whether my system is wacked is another question, but that it's those drivers is without a question! And, yes, it's due to certain VSTs also having included my own in the beginning. But, yes, it's the audio drivers that make the blue screen.

I've had troubles with those on virtually all my systems, actually, but they've always had a focus on graphics with audio coming second.

My GPU never ever created blue screens as far as I can tell. But then I always had NVidia, which is quite strong and stable from my experiences. Plus I'm doing truly wild stuff with those poor guys, hahaha. Only one time I had my Quadro 5000 essentially burn out thanks to a clocked up fan.

(That screen, though, wasn't blue at all, hahaha...more like red squares flickering before a really black screen, hahaha)

So, yeah, congrats on your 12 peaceful years, I envy you totally! I should ask for your system specs!!!

One Synth Challenge #86: Sinnah by NUSofting (Penguinfromdeep wins!)