Poor filters? (edit:proven wrong,they are very big and 'in the face', just maybe not that smooth)

[mccy]

My first Topics here were fully enthusiastic about Meldas Plugins and I am still! These are great plugins, but I'd like to know what you think about the filters and if someone could explain to me how I can get that jucy
filtersound I'm after...

I think all lowpass filters in Melda effects sound quite clinical and boring. But lowpass just has to sound fat to me, like (yesterday I tested Reapers JS Moog24, the drop, Sonalksis creative filter, the filters within UHE stuff, 2tone bifilter2... and what made me do that test: 1st bitwigs internal synth filter) and I have to say, that Melda is really poor against any of those. I was quite astonished that bitwigs internal synth gave me some really jucy sounds (not so astonished, cause I knew from SC2 that Claes can handle filters very well) which I liked better in some cases than all the others. The drop rules, of course, but I found many flavours I liked in the others...

It felt like, my eyes opened, now that I finally have a small arsenal of things that I can compare.

Is it that that diffiult to get that jucy "smack, smack" sounds from lowpass filters ?

Is it possible with some Melda automation-magic?

Martin

[ZentralmassivSound]

So to me juicy means fat. Tune in the right amount of resonance, that's very important. Also it is generally a good idea to automate cutoff and resonance simultaneously - the lower the frequency, the more resonance. That's how the sound stays fat in the lower range but doesn't "sing" too much in the upper range. Also add saturation and/or drive. You can get all fatness you need using these (specifically in MWobbler). You can hear an example of this here (in the first part a LP is used, second part a HP):

http://soundcloud.com/zentralmassiv-sou ... ets/impact

About smack: do you talk about quick filter envelopes here?

[mccy]

Just listened to your Soundcloud stuff. Great sounds from Powersynth!
But again I thought, that these are not the filtersounds I'm after. I try to make a very small listening example. Hear you later

[mccy]

Ah, MFilter wasn't installed, somehow, after reinstalling it was there
Using the same Waveform to be filtered leads to more similar results and 1st impression is that MFilter is not that bad! Will go further into it...

edit: Funny Mfilter shows not up in Reaper because there exist MFilter which is TAL filter . Will try to rename...

[jmg8]

Did you try MWobbler?
That's the one with loads of filter types and drive/saturation.

[ZentralmassivSound]

Ok. Yeah just post examples of what you want to achieve, I'm sure it works out with Melda Plugs. MWobbler is much more flexibel than MFilter.

[mccy]

The sun is shining outside and I start mistrusting my ears. Here comes just a simple manual modulated bitwig filter. I love that simple sound and something smears in a nice way, when moving the frequency. I put in the 'dry' synth too, for experiements. A blindtest would help

www.derknott.de/fitestbitwig.mp3

www.derknott.de/synthtbitwigdry.mp3

[ZentralmassivSound]

Hm I can't hear anything special. This is MFilter at 25% soft saturation and resonance of 2.0.

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3347 ... erTest.mp3

Of course I can't match it since I don't have the exact automation data, but the character is similar, isn't it?

[mccy]

I admit, Mfilter is more 'in your face', but I think I hear a very nice & subtle smoothness in bitwig filter which gives me the 'I can't stop playing' factor. But you're right, after using the same Waveforms I thought O.k. it's really subtle. Or my ears fool me... no, Iafter listening a few more times the differences become clearer & I really like the bitwig filter much, but I was wrong with "poor filters"... Maybe it's just tweaking, maybe it can be done in MXXX...

It's worth exploring the potential of the Melda plugins in depth. For me it takes some time to get used to their basic structure...

[zerocrossing]

Hm I can't hear anything special. This is MFilter at 25% soft saturation and resonance of 2.0.

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3347 ... erTest.mp3

Of course I can't match it since I don't have the exact automation data, but the character is similar, isn't it?

That sounds as good to me. A bit different but I don't think I'd automatically pick one over the other. I think Melda's filters sound great.

[jmg8]

POST REMOVED. Answered my own question.

[ZentralmassivSound]

You can get fooled very very easily here. what you describe as more "in the face" is probably just a tad more loudness. and the smoothness that you describe is just how the automation is drawn. I'm sure you can get pretty much the exact same results that you wouldn't be able to distinguish in a blind test. the upper and lower limits of the sweeps and the speed is very important. small differences here can make you think that you hear some "mojo" differences but actually it's just some parameter difference.

[mccy]

Interesting Points.
Ones, a few years ago, I was nearly loosing my mind in a discussion about an (in my opinion) way overpriced Pultec clone which was nothing more than 2 standard EQ-modules per band combined in a modular environment. I made Phasecancellation Tests and some week points of the whole DSP platform came up (latencies between DSPs)... few, I bet there are still people out there, who believe in the mojo of that device (which was eyecandy in that times). Hearing with more than with the ears is an interesting topic.

[mccy]

...but wow, how times have changed. I just demo the waves rs56 and ask myself, what I would do today to recreate its sound or analyze. First for creating something similar I would take Maudio Autoeq linear an would fire a pink noize through rs and measure source in Autoeq, then as target the pink noize and then make target sound like source...
how comfortable!!!

btw. how would I easily morph between the resulting EQ curve & 0 db gain?

[jmg8]

Dry/Wet