KVR Audio

krandr · Post by **krandr** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 8:43 am

TheoM wrote:i wis there was a way i could use it in cubase 8 on mac. Bought an outstanding bank for it from vengeance years back. And yes, was a great little synth!

Unfortunately it is not compatible with Intel MAC's (Power PPC only)
Issue can be resolved by using Rosetta.
But officially Mac OS X 10.7+ excludes support for Rosetta.

Same history about Steinberg Vocoder, Rever A, Rever B ....

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:39 pm

krandr wrote:
TheoM wrote:i wis there was a way i could use it in cubase 8 on mac. Bought an outstanding bank for it from vengeance years back. And yes, was a great little synth!
Unfortunately it is not compatible with Intel MAC's (Power PPC only)
Issue can be resolved by using Rosetta.
But officially Mac OS X 10.7+ excludes support for Rosetta.

Same history about Steinberg Vocoder, Rever A, Rever B ....

Unfortunately, krand is right. That's the price to pay for the "progressive" attitude of Apple - planned obsolescence. In five years, the majority of the software currently running in Mac OS X, will not be compatible with whatever version of OS X that will be launched that year. In Windows, OTOH, you can still run basically everything that was launched for at least Windows XP.

BTW: IF you could still use it, you would have to click on the Cubase icon with the mouse right button (or Alt + mouse) and choose "reveal content" (the APP file in Mac OS X is in reality a folder). There, you locate the VstPlugIns folder and the Cubase only plug-ins are there.

leebee · Post by **leebee** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:05 pm

Ok, thanks everyone, I'll stop getting excited now!

For some reason, when I read that it was working in OSX 10.9 I thought 10.9 only worked on intel machines, which gave me hope! Sorry to re-drag up an old frustration - glad it's still working for Windows users tho.

I'll find a friend with an old PowerPC mac and bounce the audio, not the end of the world.

Have a good and creative music making Christmas everyone.

DodgingRain · Post by **DodgingRain** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 5:51 pm

I tried to get Steinberg to fix the automation issues back around sx3 but they ignored me, probably because it was licensed from waldorf. Anyway, wonder if some of the effects and other vst's will move forward as well.

DodgingRain · Post by **DodgingRain** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:53 am

I was able to install A1, monologue, embraser, tonic, LM7, etc. from sx3 without having to install SX3.

leebee · Post by **leebee** » Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:29 pm

Quick question - and it's a complete newbie question, so apologies, but I'm going through all my projects from the last 15 years at the moment and I keep discovering patches from the Waldorf A1, one patch in particular, which I used in so many projects!

that I can't replicate now as it won't run on my new mac / OX 10.10 setup.

Here's the question;

I still have the A1 fxb files from my SX3 installation - is there any synths I would be able to import the .fxb bank into and get these patched working again? Or does it totally not work like that?!? I tried importing the bank into PPG Wave and the patches with their correct names showed and the knobs changed to different parameters when changing patches, but I couldn't hear a sound. Some of you are probably laughing at me right now!

Thanks!

larm · Post by **larm** » Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:36 pm

AFAIK fxb+fxp parameters only work with the same synth/VST but should be loadable in the same synth/VST in another DAW+platform.

I think what works for the fxb is that the other plugin tries its best to parse the "bank" and manages to extract the text+patch names, but doesn't know what to to with the actual data because it's not the same plug. So.. if you get A1 you should be able to import the fxb/fxp:s to that.

leebee · Post by **leebee** » Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:49 pm

Ahh, ok thank you that makes sense. I guess it picks up the parameters it recognises but that's not enough to make the sound. And I guess the data is no real use if the sound is generated in a different way anyhow.

As A1 no longer works on modern macs, I guess my only hope would be if someone had created an A1 bank for a newer synth so if anyone knows if that's happened, then I'll buy them a drink! :p

Thanks for the answer

layzer · Post by **layzer** » Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:26 pm

leebee wrote: As A1 no longer works on modern macs, I guess my only hope would be if someone had created an A1 bank for a newer synth so if anyone knows if that's happened, then I'll buy them a drink! :p

Thanks for the answer

A1 has a very unique sounding chorus.
you would be asking somone to make a cat bark like a dog

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Mon Apr 11, 2016 6:01 pm

leebee wrote:Ahh, ok thank you that makes sense. I guess it picks up the parameters it recognises but that's not enough to make the sound. And I guess the data is no real use if the sound is generated in a different way anyhow.

As A1 no longer works on modern macs, I guess my only hope would be if someone had created an A1 bank for a newer synth so if anyone knows if that's happened, then I'll buy them a drink! :p

Thanks for the answer

What patch are you wanting to replicate? If you send it to me, I could try to recreate it in Retrologue (no promises)...

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Apr 11, 2016 6:14 pm

I guess it has been mentioned before, but for anyone interested in trying out in A1, there's a dll file floating around the net. Funnily on a site which lets you recover lost dll's for Windows, if there's something messed up with your system. I don't know if it's still available there, but it has been, and i was able to use it inside Cubase Elements a couple of years ago. Of course, it's probably illegal, but, on the other hand, this thing is as discontinued as it could possibly be. Even more so than Terratec Komplexer, so i hardly think any party involved will give a damn anyway.

I remember it wasn't THAT good sounding though, filter was quite shrill especially. Well, no wonder, considering its age.

NerdMcBoon · Post by **NerdMcBoon** » Mon Apr 11, 2016 6:42 pm

It's quite funny, a lot of those old VAs had a lot of character. VAs certainly got objectively better over the years, but they also got more and more similar.
Synths like V-Station or Vanguard are instantly recognizable, which can't be said about many modern synths. If they sound good is a completely different question.

I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing, but those naive implementations of their analog counterparts certainly had their own unique character.

That said, I wouldn't want to go back.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Apr 11, 2016 6:51 pm

NerdMcBoon wrote:It's quite funny, a lot of those old VAs had a lot of character. VAs certainly got objectively better over the years, but they also got more and more similar.
Synths like V-Station or Vanguard are instantly recognizable, which can't be said about many modern synths. If they sound good is a completely different question.

I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing, but those naive implementations of their analog counterparts certainly had their own unique character.

That said, I wouldn't want to go back.

Totally agree.

What i always find though: Especially the stuff from companies which also do hardware synths turns out to be full of character. Waldorf, Novation, Access, Korg, all of those did software which shares the (lots of) character of their hardware. Especially with the Waldorf stuff i'm amazed how much even of their analog stuff is in the digital stuff. Dunno how they do that, probably a lot of fine tuning, and meticulous work.

leebee · Post by **leebee** » Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:34 am

Sorry for the late reply! Hadn't been in the studio for a while and didn't get any notifications, so hadn't realised there'd been some discussion

layzer wrote: A1 has a very unique sounding chorus.
you would be asking somone to make a cat bark like a dog

Great analogy!

fmr wrote: What patch are you wanting to replicate? If you send it to me, I could try to recreate it in Retrologue (no promises)...

Hey, FMR, the patch was the Drum and Bass patch. Funnily enough I don't write drum and bass music but I had used it on so many projects and I remember it modulating quite nicely. If you ever had chance to have a go that would be brilliant, I'll try sending you the .fxb in private message in case you are able to help any point!

chk071 wrote:
NerdMcBoon wrote:It's quite funny, a lot of those old VAs had a lot of character. VAs certainly got objectively better over the years, but they also got more and more similar.
Synths like V-Station or Vanguard are instantly recognizable, which can't be said about many modern synths. If they sound good is a completely different question.

I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing, but those naive implementations of their analog counterparts certainly had their own unique character.

That said, I wouldn't want to go back.
Totally agree. What i always find though: Especially the stuff from companies which also do hardware synths turns out to be full of character. Waldorf, Novation, Access, Korg, all of those did software which shares the (lots of) character of their hardware. Especially with the Waldorf stuff i'm amazed how much even of their analog stuff is in the digital stuff. Dunno how they do that, probably a lot of fine tuning, and meticulous work.

I love the combination of the older interesting stuff but with a more formed foundation underneath, suits my style of music, which is primarily electronic soundtrack. Although I tend to use less of the older VSTs these days, as a lot of my work remains work in progress for a while, and I've been stung by issues like this one too many times in the past. Safe with my hardware synths, assuming nothing goes wrong with them! fingers-crossed!

MutantHero · Post by **MutantHero** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:55 pm

repaint

and yes it does sound better now

Waldorf A1 synth (Cubase)... forgotten how good it is!