KVR Audio

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:14 am

xcentric wrote:
murnau wrote:
foosnark wrote:
xcentric wrote:Fl Studio has long winded ways of accomplishing simple jobs that are done much easier with most other traditional DAWs. On the flip side it allows for getting ideas down pretty quickly. There's yin and yang with every DAW.
DING DING DING correct.
I can't agree, i found many things are much easier done in FL. Examples please!
No worries. I'll hold off on providing a list. As I alluded to they've already gave indications that they will address things that fall into the basket I'm referring to at some point. Until then, FL Studio is what it is. If you're happy with it, who am I to say you shouldn't be?

Like i said before: It becomes apparent that certain people don't have the slighest clue about FL Studio but like to B.S.

ATN69 · Post by **ATN69** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:39 am

Another FL Studio bitching thread?! Great! Is there really anyone in KVR who Think that the DAW is to blame for the poor Music they create?

If anyone can prove without a doubt that there is a DAW that can turn anyone into a professional musician then I will buy it ASAP!

Boardwalk · Post by **Boardwalk** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:43 am

I also do not understand why there's so much animosity towards Fruity Toy Studio. J/k, j/k.

foosnark · Post by **foosnark** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:47 pm

murnau wrote:
foosnark wrote:
xcentric wrote:Fl Studio has long winded ways of accomplishing simple jobs that are done much easier with most other traditional DAWs. On the flip side it allows for getting ideas down pretty quickly. There's yin and yang with every DAW.
DING DING DING correct.
I can't agree, i found many things are much easier done in FL. Examples please!

I used FL Studio for years, could work with it fairly quickly and preferred the workflow to everything else, until I switched to Maschine. And frankly there are some things FLS does more easily and/or better (or, you know, at all) than Maschine does.

However. I'm also a software developer and my previous boss was relentless about UI/UX, and there's a lot of glaring nastiness in FL.

-- setting the time signature, while far from impossible like many people claim, was mighty unintuitive. As I've posted here before, "For any time signature expressed as 'X/Y', Bar is X and Beat is 16/Y." So 3/4 time is Bar=3, Beat=4 while 6/8 is Bar=6, Beat=2.

-- MIDI pitch bend range is FUBAR. I never had so much trouble with it as I did in FL Studio.

-- other MIDI control stuff was also often screwy.

-- the combination of browser, plugin selector, and context menu for selecting plugins is honestly a UI mess, and if you don't use it for a while it's seriously unpleasant to work with.

-- even if you never use the step sequencer mode, it's an obtrusive UI element.

-- the piano roll is undoubtedly powerful, but basic editing requires so much mode switching that it feels pretty awkward if you have fallen out of the habit of using it.

FL Studio has been around a long time and has grown by accretion -- a lot of different UI styles thrown together into a heterogenous lump of crazy that works but can be awkward. I started with version 3 and got used to gradual change up through version 11. But I watched my spouse (who was used to more basic MIDI sequencers) try to start with version 11, and that made it obvious how awkward it's gotten to be. (She prefers LMMS, for what it's worth.)

All that said I would much rather use FL Studio than Live or Bitwig or Cubase or whatever. But I'd rather use Maschine than FL Studio, and I do.

chaosWyrM · Post by **chaosWyrM** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:53 pm

ATN69 wrote:
chaosWyrM wrote:soooo...were all gonna just go on pretending "edm" is a real thing then?
EDM, acronym for Electronic Dance Music. I would say it's pretty real. Just go to any club in the weekend or scroll thru all radio stations (I am sure you will find at least one playing EDM) and voila, there is the proof

P.S ..Great to see you are still going strong D.S

yeah...we all know what it stands for. my point is that its not a real genre, which it isnt.

eBm = real genre
Idm = real genre
edm ≠ real genre

edm is a catch all umbrella term for nearly every kind of dance music made today, its meaningless.

if i ask someone what kind of music they listen to and they answer "oh i like edm" i just roll my eyes and change the subject. what am i supposed to do with that answer? i still have no idea what music they like...but at least i know they dont even know what kind of music they like...and can determine that a conversation about music with that person would be frustrating at best.

there is no "edm" track in existence. go find me one...ill wait, but make sure its JUST an edm track...not a trap track, or a house track, or a progressive trance track....or ...well you get the idea.

ATN69 · Post by **ATN69** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:00 pm

chaosWyrM wrote:
ATN69 wrote:
chaosWyrM wrote:soooo...were all gonna just go on pretending "edm" is a real thing then?
EDM, acronym for Electronic Dance Music. I would say it's pretty real. Just go to any club in the weekend or scroll thru all radio stations (I am sure you will find at least one playing EDM) and voila, there is the proof

P.S ..Great to see you are still going strong D.S
yeah...we all know what it stands for. my point is that its not a real genre, which it isnt.

eBm = real genre
Idm = real genre
edm ≠ real genre

edm is a catch all umbrella term for nearly every kind of dance music made today, its meaningless.

You mean like Jazz or classical music? ..there are many types of Jazz. Bossanova or swing for example, still I think Jazz is a genre?

chaosWyrM · Post by **chaosWyrM** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:09 pm

ATN69 wrote:
chaosWyrM wrote:
ATN69 wrote:
chaosWyrM wrote:soooo...were all gonna just go on pretending "edm" is a real thing then?
EDM, acronym for Electronic Dance Music. I would say it's pretty real. Just go to any club in the weekend or scroll thru all radio stations (I am sure you will find at least one playing EDM) and voila, there is the proof

P.S ..Great to see you are still going strong D.S
yeah...we all know what it stands for. my point is that its not a real genre, which it isnt.

eBm = real genre
Idm = real genre
edm ≠ real genre

edm is a catch all umbrella term for nearly every kind of dance music made today, its meaningless.
You mean like Jazz or classical music? ..there are many types of Jazz. Bossanova or swing for example, still I think Jazz is a genre?

no i dont mean like classical or jazz...those are actual genres with characteristics that make them what they are.

"edm" was just a stupid label slapped onto a ton of already established genres in an attempt to re-package and re-market them. the myriad different genres currently falling under the moniker "edm" have little to no commonality, and were already established separately.

please do explain to me why trap and tech trance should both fall under the same "edm" genre.

chaosWyrM · Post by **chaosWyrM** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:13 pm

my point is that the term "edm" is about as descriptive of the content as the term "hot food"

ATN69 · Post by **ATN69** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:14 pm

no i dont mean like classical or jazz...those are actual genres with characteristics that make them what they are.

"edm" was just a stupid label slapped onto a ton of already established genres in an attempt to re-package and re-market them. the myriad different genres currently falling under the moniker "edm" have little to no commonality, and were already established separately.

please do explain to me why trap and tech trance should both fall under the same "edm" genre.[/quote]

What happened to the logic here? Bossanova or Swing (to mention some) are also established genres re-packed under the name Jazz

..So if Jazz is a genre I fail to see why EDM can't be a genre to

chaosWyrM · Post by **chaosWyrM** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:20 pm

ATN69 wrote:no i dont mean like classical or jazz...those are actual genres with characteristics that make them what they are.

"edm" was just a stupid label slapped onto a ton of already established genres in an attempt to re-package and re-market them. the myriad different genres currently falling under the moniker "edm" have little to no commonality, and were already established separately.

please do explain to me why trap and tech trance should both fall under the same "edm" genre.

What happened to the logic here? Bossanova or Swing (to mention some) are also established genres re-packed under the name Jazz ..So if Jazz is a genre I fail to see why EDM can't be a genre to

no...bossanova and swing are types of jazz...that organically evolved from...you guessed it JAZZ.

there is no edm for anything to evolve from...the term came AFTER.

i didnt say edm cant be a genre, i said it isnt one. like saying a tree is not a rock...or a fish is not a bicycle. its just not.

ATN69 · Post by **ATN69** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:26 pm

chaosWyrM wrote:
ATN69 wrote:no i dont mean like classical or jazz...those are actual genres with characteristics that make them what they are.

"edm" was just a stupid label slapped onto a ton of already established genres in an attempt to re-package and re-market them. the myriad different genres currently falling under the moniker "edm" have little to no commonality, and were already established separately.

please do explain to me why trap and tech trance should both fall under the same "edm" genre.
What happened to the logic here? Bossanova or Swing (to mention some) are also established genres re-packed under the name Jazz ..So if Jazz is a genre I fail to see why EDM can't be a genre to

no...bossanova and swing are types of jazz...that organically evolved from...you guessed it JAZZ.

there is no edm for anything to evolve from...the term came AFTER.

i didnt say edm cant be a genre, i said it isnt one. like saying a tree is not a rock...or a fish is not a bicycle. its just not.[/quote]

hahaha

I could not miss the opportunity to mess around with you a little bit..good to see you are your old stubborn self, still going strong. That's a good thing!

DJ Warmonger · Post by **DJ Warmonger** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:40 pm

edm is a catch all umbrella term for nearly every kind of dance music made today, its meaningless.

Well, EDM means two different things today:

- (any) Electronic Dance Music
- Certain style of electronic dance music aimed at max loudness and probably half-deaf listener, term recently coined by American entertainment industry.

nickamandote · Post by **nickamandote** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:05 pm

EDM was a very bad name to choose because electronic dance music exists from the 70s (see Kraftwerk) so the name is totally uninspired... just my 2 cents

chaosWyrM · Post by **chaosWyrM** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:02 pm

DJ Warmonger wrote:
edm is a catch all umbrella term for nearly every kind of dance music made today, its meaningless.
Well, EDM means two different things today:

- (any) Electronic Dance Music
- Certain style of electronic dance music aimed at max loudness and probably half-deaf listener, term recently coined by American entertainment industry.

that second one is as ambiguous and meaningless as the first. you improperly used the word "certain"..as there is no certain style meant by the term...which has been my point.

please do point me to a track that is "edm" and not anything else.

Trouble ahead for FL Studio? EDM proclaimed dead (or at least unwell...