Tone2 will release Icarus - 3D WaveTable Synthesizer

[chk071]

when i've had issues (logic X, so a mac), they've asked for crashlogs...then fixed things...with an update.

Irrelevant, dude. There's got to be a fly in the ointment somewhere, if we just dig deep enough. Aside from that, they clearly lied in their marketing, and everyone knows that this isn't the one synthesizer which rules them all anyway. I mean, really, who are you trying to fool with stuff like that? Us experienced, and intelligent people who use synthesier since years? How could they! Now excuse me, i got to drive my premium car with exclusive interior, and unique design to the nearest gas station, to fill 'er up with the premium, refined to the finest combustible they sell there.

Btw, it's absolutely ok to not like Tone2's marketing, or to have something against the company in general. But why post it here continuously, and spoil it for the people who don't think like you? Is this Facebook? I mean, it's totally fine to bring up a valid point of criticism, but i don't feel like this is happening here. Instead we get another ridiculous display of reluctance against the "big bad industry", which once again manifests itself in a small company, run by a handful of people, who certainly don't drive Ferraris, and certainly didn't pick the industry where you can make the BIG MONEY. So, what is this about? Self-display, feel-good stuff? Don't get it.

You're making this something that it isnt - I'm asking legitimate questions.

No, not really. I'm rather thinking you try to find the fly in the ointment, and don't want to pass a chance to let people know that you hate their marketing. Well, fine. But why you're interested in this product then? Seems weird.

[aMUSEd]

Because it sounds interesting. But I need to know it's going to get updated and some honest facts instead of bs marketing. The sort of inflated claims being made reduces my trust in what is being claimed, and the lack of updates for the one plugin I have of theirs (and lack of updates on Mac for several others) also concerns me. These are legitimate things anyone interested in buying a synth should be asking.

[fisherKing]

Because it sounds interesting. But I need to know it's going to get updated and some honest facts instead of bs marketing. The sort of inflated claims being made reduces my trust in what is being claimed, and the lack of updates for the one plugin I have of theirs (and lack of updates on Mac for several others) also concerns me. These are legitimate things anyone interested in buying a synth should be asking.

am on a mac, and all the tone2plugs have worked (altho currently, am only still using electra2, and now icarus). is something not working for you? contact support...

[chk071]

Because it sounds interesting. But I need to know it's going to get updated and some honest facts instead of bs marketing. The sort of inflated claims being made reduces my trust in what is being claimed, and the lack of updates for the one plugin I have of theirs (and lack of updates on Mac for several others) also concerns me. These are legitimate things anyone interested in buying a synth should be asking.

Then Tone2 is the wrong company to buy from then, from your point of view. You will neither get the answers you need from this thread, nor will you get them when you contact them personally.

[aMUSEd]

Because it sounds interesting. But I need to know it's going to get updated and some honest facts instead of bs marketing. The sort of inflated claims being made reduces my trust in what is being claimed, and the lack of updates for the one plugin I have of theirs (and lack of updates on Mac for several others) also concerns me. These are legitimate things anyone interested in buying a synth should be asking.

am on a mac, and all the tone2plugs have worked (altho currently, am only still using electra2, and now icarus). is something not working for you? contact support...

No, although I would like to see the improvements made on Windows for Nemesis also made on Mac. My attention was just on the claim that this synth will get frequent updates and improvements. I would like that to be the case, but I also have to take into account what I'm seeing, particularly for the one product of theirs that I do have.

[aMUSEd]

Because it sounds interesting. But I need to know it's going to get updated and some honest facts instead of bs marketing. The sort of inflated claims being made reduces my trust in what is being claimed, and the lack of updates for the one plugin I have of theirs (and lack of updates on Mac for several others) also concerns me. These are legitimate things anyone interested in buying a synth should be asking.

Then Tone2 is the wrong company to buy from then, from your point of view. You will neither get the answers you need from this thread, nor will you get them when you contact them personally.

Not at all, if a plugin is good enough that can outweigh my reservations, unless they are complete deal breakers. Nothing I have seen is a complete deal breaker, but again I don't see why I should not seek to be reassured that they will update a product after I buy it, particularly on Mac, given the pattern of updates I am seeing. I can see good updates for Electra 2, maybe sales are a factor in not updating the others?

[chk071]

Here is a list of announcements for new versions of their plugins (not listing smaller updates probably though): http://www.tone2.org/forum/index.php?board=2.0 What you make of that, or how you interpretate every marketing bubble there is, is entirely your decision.

[fisherKing]

Because it sounds interesting. But I need to know it's going to get updated and some honest facts instead of bs marketing. The sort of inflated claims being made reduces my trust in what is being claimed, and the lack of updates for the one plugin I have of theirs (and lack of updates on Mac for several others) also concerns me. These are legitimate things anyone interested in buying a synth should be asking.

Then Tone2 is the wrong company to buy from then, from your point of view. You will neither get the answers you need from this thread, nor will you get them when you contact them personally.

Not at all, if a plugin is good enough that can outweigh my reservations, unless they are complete deal breakers. Nothing I have seen is a complete deal breaker, but again I don't see why I should not seek to be reassured that they will update a product after I buy it, particularly on Mac, given the pattern of updates I am seeing. I can see good updates for Electra 2, maybe sales are a factor in not updating the others?

you're still not answering my question: is something not working for you? again, all my tone2 plugins worked when i used them, including (currently) electra2 and now icarus. isn't that the main point, that a plugin should work?

[Frantz]

I think updates are a fair point. There is one dev, Markus, cranking out a new synth per year. The more synths he creates, the less time there is for updates of the existing line.

I would have preferred he would have released Icarus as Electra3 instead of creating yet another synth since they are both wavetable synths and will share a fair amount of features. However, I'll still probably get it anyway since I like most of their stuff.

[Daags]

i don't understand how these threads devolve so quickly (arcsyn thread, for example...and this). .

'quickly' he said, on page 48 of a three month old thread.

i'd hate to see his definition of slow.

[fisherKing]

I think updates are a fair point. There is one dev, Markus, cranking out a new synth per year. The more synths he creates, the less time there is for updates of the existing line.

I would have preferred he would have released Icarus as Electra3 instead of creating yet another synth since they are both wavetable synths and will share a fair amount of features. However, I'll still probably get it anyway since I like most of their stuff.

tone2 has a team, it's not just markus. and icarus is it's own thing, different enough from electra2. updates, if nothing else, should fix bugs, and tone2 has done that (in my experience).

lol am done on this thread, spending too much time on it. i've had good experiences with tone2, and some bad experiences with another developer. but i make music with the tools that i like, that work for me...and that work. electra2 and icarus work...

daags: am making an observation when i've felt it, i feel no pressure to make it before i felt it.

[aMUSEd]

Because it sounds interesting. But I need to know it's going to get updated and some honest facts instead of bs marketing. The sort of inflated claims being made reduces my trust in what is being claimed, and the lack of updates for the one plugin I have of theirs (and lack of updates on Mac for several others) also concerns me. These are legitimate things anyone interested in buying a synth should be asking.

Then Tone2 is the wrong company to buy from then, from your point of view. You will neither get the answers you need from this thread, nor will you get them when you contact them personally.

Not at all, if a plugin is good enough that can outweigh my reservations, unless they are complete deal breakers. Nothing I have seen is a complete deal breaker, but again I don't see why I should not seek to be reassured that they will update a product after I buy it, particularly on Mac, given the pattern of updates I am seeing. I can see good updates for Electra 2, maybe sales are a factor in not updating the others?

you're still not answering my question: is something not working for you? again, all my tone2 plugins worked when i used them, including (currently) electra2 and now icarus. isn't that the main point, that a plugin should work?

Because it's not relevant to my question. Updates aren't just for fixing bugs but also show investment in a product on the part of the developer such as in improvements. I've not had Nemesis long enough to identify any bugs apart from a few interface niggles with the browser but given that it's been around a couple of years now I'm surprised it has not had any further development. Again my concern was just how do I know if the claim that updates and improvements will be regular other than looking at previous history, particularly on Mac given that the only updates seem to have been on Windows for Nemesis (and Rayblaster)? I do realise, as Franz says, as a small company they have to prioritise, just does this say anything about what they prioritise?

[db3]

T2 are certainly not the type of company that releases a product and then continually adds new features. I would expect them to address bugs, but to be honest I've not experienced any problems with their plugs. My only bugbear is their untidy installation. I've emailed them for support on more than one occasion and found them to be very helpful.

I'm really looking forward to the Icarus release

[Frantz]

tone2 has a team, it's not just markus.

Tone2 has a team but there is ONE developer coding the plugins - Markus.

[chk071]

Actually Electra2's manual also lists Bastiaan van Noord as a developer alongside Markus. No idea if he's really done some coding though, or just providing waveforms or something like that. And yes, i do get the point about releasing new stuff, and few updates for the existing stuff a bit. I don't see there's much wrong with Electra2 though, really. As db3 said, usually they don't add many, if any features to their existing synths, but rather release a new major version, which is a paid upgrade. So, don't expect any updates with new features. It could be, but i wouldn't count on it. The way i see it, you pay for what there is. Obviously they have a lot of beta testers though, as this thread shows, and also, i haven't experienced many bugs with their plugins either, i tried Electra2, Firebird, Saurus and Gladiator so far.

Btw, also want to add that they updated ALL of their plugins for Windows 10 support, and some plugins for possible issues when PACE drivers are installed, so if there are (major) issues, they usually get fixed too.