Tone2 will release Icarus - 3D WaveTable Synthesizer

[Frantz]

Actually Electra2's manual also lists Bastiaan van Noord as a developer alongside Markus.

From https://tone2.com/html/our%20team.html:
Bastiaan van Noord - Sound design, Support, Testing, PR management

He's not a developer.

[aMUSEd]

And yes, i do get the point about releasing new stuff, and few updates for the existing stuff a bit. I don't see there's much wrong with Electra2 though, really. As db3 said, usually they don't add many, if any features to their existing synths, but rather release a new major version, which is a paid upgrade. So, don't expect any updates with new features. It could be, but i wouldn't count on it. The way i see it, you pay for what there is.

Yes that's all I was trying to ask about updates, from what I see of their history the pattern suggests something different to what their marketing says re Icarus

Icarus comes with free personal support as well as frequent, free updates and improvements.

Not questioning the support part, just whether this is something given their history that can be believed or is just a marketing claim but to be taken with a pinch of salt.

[pdxindy]

Icarus comes with free personal support as well as frequent, free updates and improvements.

Not questioning the support part, just whether this is something given their history that can be believed or is just a marketing claim but to be taken with a pinch of salt.

That is just marketing BS... (like the claim that Icarus can do "literally everything").

Tone2 will fix bugs and issue compatibility updates for OS changes for existing synths. Beyond that, users should not expect feature updates. Occasionally there might be a feature update, but users should not expect it. There is a pretty clear track record in that regard.

[Doc Brown]

Icarus comes with free personal support as well as frequent, free updates and improvements.

Not questioning the support part, just whether this is something given their history that can be believed or is just a marketing claim but to be taken with a pinch of salt.

That is just marketing BS... (like the claim that Icarus can do "literally everything").

Tone2 will fix bugs and issue compatibility updates for OS changes for existing synths. Beyond that, users should not expect feature updates. Occasionally there might be a feature update, but users should not expect it. There is a pretty clear track record in that regard.

In fairness I own Saurus and they came out with one feature update but it wasn't an incremental it was v2. The problem is they wanted $70.00 for that update and I declined. I bought TAL U NO LX for $60.00 and quite frankly it sounds 10x more analog than Saurus ever did from my perspective. I'm still holding out hope that Icarus is a winner.

[zerocrossing]

Icarus comes with free personal support as well as frequent, free updates and improvements.

Not questioning the support part, just whether this is something given their history that can be believed or is just a marketing claim but to be taken with a pinch of salt.

That is just marketing BS... (like the claim that Icarus can do "literally everything").

Tone2 will fix bugs and issue compatibility updates for OS changes for existing synths. Beyond that, users should not expect feature updates. Occasionally there might be a feature update, but users should not expect it. There is a pretty clear track record in that regard.

In fairness I own Saurus and they came out with one feature update but it wasn't an incremental it was v2. The problem is they wanted $70.00 for that update and I declined. I bought TAL U NO LX for $60.00 and quite frankly it sounds 10x more analog than Saurus ever did from my perspective. I'm still holding out hope that Icarus is a winner.

I thought I was the only I person who thought Saurus was a fail.

[Frantz]

I thought I was the only I person who thought Saurus was a fail.

I also think Tone2's analog modeling is unimpressive. Digital is their strong suit.


The new Icarus page is up and looking good: https://tone2.com/html/icarus.html

"Available in Summer 2016"

They started the marketing campaign a little early. Doncha think?

[Frantz]

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[ATS]

i love saurus but i dont care at all if it sounds "analog" or not, just like it.

[EnGee]

How near the sound to Dune 2? (which I always forget that I have it ).

Yesterday I was playing with Dune 2 and I like its clean punchy sounds, among other sounds. It is a great synth no doubt (which I don't know why I always think of Access Virus when I hear it, although I have never owned a Virus!). Of course Dune 2 can do nice FM sounds as well, but its character isn't similar to Blofeld at all (or Largo or even Massive) and of course it is far from Codex. So, I put it in the category of Virus like synths.

Anyway, it would be nice to hear the beta testers comparing Icarus with Dune 2 (or Virus) if they have played with one of them.

[surreal]

i love saurus but i dont care at all if it sounds "analog" or not, just like it.

Agreed!!! I find that all the tone 2 Synths I own have all been really stable and extremly cpu light and Saurus is certainly no exception. I like its sound and honestly when I think of the term analogue I think of cheesy dtune leads and waterd out soft brassy sounds.. I dont like that eventhough I know Saurus can do that.. but what Saurus does well is nice solid basses and bold leads...

The only thing is is that I want to learn is how to make my own wavetables in Electax 2 as I cannot afford Icarus...Dune 2 is another Synth I own which I want to learn how to make nice punchy bass sounds with as well as creating my own wave tables

[db3]

i love saurus but i dont care at all if it sounds "analog" or not, just like it.

+1
Versatile VA synth.

[recursive one]

How near the sound to Dune 2? (which I always forget that I have it ).

Yesterday I was playing with Dune 2 and I like its clean punchy sounds, among other sounds. It is a great synth no doubt (which I don't know why I always think of Access Virus when I hear it, although I have never owned a Virus!). Of course Dune 2 can do nice FM sounds as well, but its character isn't similar to Blofeld at all (or Largo or even Massive) and of course it is far from Codex. So, I put it in the category of Virus like synths.

Anyway, it would be nice to hear the beta testers comparing Icarus with Dune 2 (or Virus) if they have played with one of them.

Just for the record, Dune2 doesn't sound like a Virus at all (I have both).

I listened to the sound demo posted earlier in this thread by Mac of Bionignt, it indeed sounds somehow similar to Dune2 but punchier a bit.

here is the demo (hope Mac wouldn't mind )

https://soundcloud.com/macnight/icarus-teaser-01

Ingonator said that Icarus will have unison algorithm similar to Virus Hypersaw and probably modelled after it. Also the names of some wavetable morphing modes to be available in Icarus sound like it they are inspired by the Virus formant and graintable oscillators, but I don't know if they indeed act similarly and can make similar sounds

[EnGee]

Just for the record, Dune2 doesn't sound like a Virus at all (I have both).

Oh. When I listened to the audio demos of Virus, they sound about 80% close to Dune 2. Anyway, judging from the audio demos, sometimes I prefer the Virus and sometimes Dune 2. To me, it means both are great in their own way.

I listened to the sound demo posted earlier in this thread by Mac of Bionignt, it indeed sounds somehow similar to Dune2 but punchier a bit.

here is the demo (hope Mac wouldn't mind )

https://soundcloud.com/macnight/icarus-teaser-01

Yes, I heard it. For that was my question.

Ingonator said that Icarus will have unison algorithm similar to Virus Hypersaw and probably modelled after it. Also the names of some wavetable morphing modes to be available in Icarus sound like it they are inspired by the Virus formant and graintable oscillators, but I don't know if they indeed act similarly and can make similar sounds

We will see

[recursive one]

Oh. When I listened to the audio demos of Virus, they sound about 80% close to Dune 2. Anyway, judging from the audio demos, sometimes I prefer the Virus and sometimes Dune 2. To me, it means both are great in their own way.

If you are curious, I compared Virus and Dune2 side by side at basic patches having identical structure. They don't sound very alike in these examples. Spire (also included into this comparison) sounds much closer.

https://soundcloud.com/recursion-loop/v ... -vs-dune22

To me, it means both are great in their own way.

They are. Dune2 lacks the agressive edgy character of Virus so it is not that good at leads/basses, but it outdoes Virus at big and complex pads/soundcapes.

Sorry for the OT.

[EnGee]

If you are curious, I compared Virus and Dune2 side by side at basic patches having identical structure. They don't sound very alike in these examples. Spire (also included into this comparison) sounds much closer.

https://soundcloud.com/recursion-loop/v ... -vs-dune22

To me, it means both are great in their own way.

They are. Dune2 lacks the agressive edgy character of Virus so it is not that good at leads/basses, but it outdoes Virus at big and complex pads/soundcapes.

Sorry for the OT.

Thanks for the comparison. I listened carefully two times (I needed two times to know which is which ). Spire indeed comes closer to Virus (supposing that the first sound is Virus, the second is Spire and the third Dune 2).

I believe in the future, it would be great if you can add Icarus to the comparison group.
But one thing I'm convinced of and that is, these synths are covering wide range of sounds that it make them really difficult to compare.