Diva's Modifications system

[dmbaer]

for your mod wheel to cutoff example, you don't need that. Look at the filter panels again... it's too easy

Well ... uh ... um ... sheesh, you're right!

Use Voice Map Modulator as "addend" if you need it.

This is where I remain in the dark, that is, the whole voice map modulator thing. I suspect I'm not the only one puzzling over this. A few real life examples in the manual might clear it all up. Even a study suggestion as to two or three presets that use this effectively might be helpful.

[xh3rv]

This is where I remain in the dark, that is, the whole voice map modulator thing. I suspect I'm not the only one puzzling over this. A few real life examples in the manual might clear it all up. Even a study suggestion as to two or three presets that use this effectively might be helpful.

1) HS Sleigh Ting - there's a galloping cadence sequence that results from VoiceMap -> PWM. If you've used Zebra or ACE this is a lot like the MMap or TapMap on 'alternate'.

2) It's not quite as multi-timbral as I could possibly imagine but for a lot of voice-map with stacked voices check out 'xh Alien Biosymmetry' in the local directory (which I'll give my trained chimp credit for, since he patched it out of great sadness when Kim Jong-Il died - North Korea is so far ahead of everyone else in brainwashing ...).

3) The following patch which my trained chimp did out of great joy when Kim Jong-Urs was made leader of North Korea (I didn't have the heart to say it was just Kim Jong-Un). All mods used for a drum kit (like Howard's patch it alternates through voices, and I used Howard's Invert/Add Square LFO trick). http://www.box.com/s/8o9onojjr0yaqg1r2m5u

[JJBiener]

I have to say I much preferred the Modification section when it still had the wires. I could look at that panel and immediately know what the patch was doing. The current panel is completely non-intuitive for me. I also suspect that the current panel is far less flexible, but I haven't spent the time with it to confirm my suspicions.

I think Diva is a remarkable product and the Modification section really sets it apart from other synths I've worked with. Would it be possible to allow users to select which Modification panel they want to work with? For me this is an academic question since I don't have the resources to purchase Diva right now, but something like this would affect my decision making process when making future purchases.

No question though, Diva sounds amazing.

[xh3rv]

I have to say I much preferred the Modification section when it still had the wires. I could look at that panel and immediately know what the patch was doing. The current panel is completely non-intuitive for me. I also suspect that the current panel is far less flexible ...

The idea of multiple views is interesting. [e] Also, the source synths had some different ways about this too ... [another e] - Some of the problem was too many sockets, I think, but the available sockets could track with the Oscillator/Filters?

AFAIK, and I watched this between the versions - functionally it's the same. Everything that was available with sockets is in drop-down menus now.

It's not quite as up-front with all the options in the menus. I think it gets easier after using Diva for a bit and getting familiar with all the mod sources / destinations. I find the way it is now cleaner ... but I get what you're saying about the different feel and certainly wouldn't disagree on that point.

[BRoySound]

I have to say I much preferred the Modification section when it still had the wires. I could look at that panel and immediately know what the patch was doing. The current panel is completely non-intuitive for me. I also suspect that the current panel is far less flexible, but I haven't spent the time with it to confirm my suspicions.

I too prefer the Patch view more than the Panel View......it was more creative and fun..........In Panel View..sometimes I lose track as to which cable went where..............we can ask Urs to consider that once he is back..... A "Change View" kinda Button in future update would be awesome.........

As for the flexibility.....there's no difference at all.....it's the same.......

[homunculus]

i agree with you guys it would be nice to be able to use the patch view, it would be easier for my brain to connect the dots

[pdxindy]

I found the patch view started to become hard to read when there were lots of connections. I like the current one better but I liked patch view as well...

[Fritze]

The patch view in ACE is cool for me when I switch it to slim and see through cables. They don't cover labels and such stuff up. I like them more than the thick ones. Certain things like e.g. feedback are easier for me to understand using patch cables.

[pdxindy]

Use Voice Map Modulator as "addend" if you need it.

This is where I remain in the dark, that is, the whole voice map modulator thing. I suspect I'm not the only one puzzling over this. A few real life examples in the manual might clear it all up. Even a study suggestion as to two or three presets that use this effectively might be helpful.

The voice map modulator is a powerful feature. It lets you control a parameter per voice. So for example, you can set unison to 3 and voice map to cutoff, then on the trimmers page, set each voice map modulator pot to a different +/- value. Now when you play a note, each of the 3 unison voices will have a different cutoff value.

Or you could use multiply to modulate the osc tuning. In multiply, use env2 and voice map. for env 2 set attack to zero, delay at half and sustain at zero. For voice map set voice 1 to 0, voice 2 to 50, voice 3 to 100 voice 4 to -50 voice 5 to -100. Set unison to 5. Now when you play a note you will start with a wide range of pitches that will then converge on the fundamental note.

You can also use voice map as a rate modulator on the lfo's. Each key press will have a different lfo rate.

etc etc etc

[dmbaer]

The voice map modulator is a powerful feature. It lets you control a parameter per voice.

OK, I just discovered one very major source of confusion. In the index to the manual we have this entry:

VoiceMap the row of controls/values at the bottom of the Modifications panel

Click the Modifications link and it takes you to the Modifications page. So, I was looking the wrong place for a set of controls that weren't there. Your pointers helped me sort that one out. Now all this may start making a lot more sense. Thanks!

[Edit] It's not the index, but it is on the last page ... it's the enumeration of modulation sources.

[zaphod betamax]

On the Blofeld, you don't even need modifiers to do recursive modulation.

On the filter envelope for example, you could set it to A=48, D=127, S=0, R=64
In the matrix
Filter Env +48 FilterAttack
and
FilterEnv -48 FilterDecay.

Modifiers can be used, but not required to do recursive!

[Howard]

VoiceMap the row of controls/values at the bottom of the Modifications panel
...
[Edit] It's not the index, but it is on the last page ... it's the enumeration of modulation sources.

Replying to a 4-year old post!
Anyway... doesn't say that here. In my manual it says (quote:)
"VoiceMap - Voice Map Modulator (general-purpose voice offsets – see Trimmers panel)"

Maybe you have a beta version of the Diva user guide? Get a recent version from the bottom of the Diva webpage: http://www.u-he.com/cms/diva