Nomad Factory prices have been re-evaluated

[digitalboytn]

I was actually taking the piss out of the grammar...

"hole" instead of "whole"...

Nothing to do with your service or the aims of the company at all...

I was talking about a girl I used to know and being quite crude about it...

Don't worry mate...It's an Australian thing...

We're always taking the piss...

It helps keep us a little more sane in this crazy world

[Compyfox]

Okay Ashley and Peter, the first thing I'd ask you is to maybe tone down the subtle link drops and "have you checked out XYZ" - this went down all the wrong pipes with IKM in recent years. There is aggressive marketing, then there is constant thread hijacking, and then there are the humble devs being like "sure - we'll answer your questions".

Which brings me to my main point - you evade(!) questions.

Here they are again (at least mine):

So as longtime user, I have one main question:
Where do you we go from there?

What about the ISP bundle? AFAIK we're currently on Engine v4, but if it's sold it's still called ISP3 Bundle.
What about upgrading the bundle with new tools?
And will we pay TRIPLE for that upgrade wise? (I for example can't jump on any deal, because I already have all but MAGMA and the BBE bundle).

Add to that the questions:
- will we ISP users see implementations of "previously released plugins" sooner than "after 2 years" this time around? Unless that is a moot point with the 99USD sale - completely slashing the value of the bundle.

I AM an ISP bundle user, and I don't want to pay for things triple - yet I don't want to feel left out as somebody that actually invested money rather than jumping in super low sales. And to be honest - Drum Tools doesn't interest me atm.


I also ask in advance due to the comment "more plugins will be released the next months" - probably at insane prices, with no integration into the ISP bundle (at least not anytime soon).

So... yeah.

Where do we go from there?

[Plugivery]

Hi Compyfox,

Okay Ashley and Peter, the first thing I'd ask you is to maybe tone down the subtle link drops and "have you checked out XYZ" - this went down all the wrong pipes with IKM in recent years. There is aggressive marketing, then there is constant thread hijacking, and then there are the humble devs being like "sure - we'll answer your questions". Which brings me to my main point - you evade(!) questions.

Thanks for the heads up ! I guess we tried to answer seven pages of questions and perhaps firstly those who haven't yet purchased and need to be reassured to pull the trigger. job conditioning I guess But we've also mentioned some things that should have answered at least some of your (and other members) questions about the future of Nomad Factory... I will try to do better here !

So as longtime user, I have one main question: Where do you we go from there?

Great question, let's go have a beer or two

What about the ISP bundle? AFAIK we're currently on Engine v4, but if it's sold it's still called ISP3 Bundle.

Yes you are right! While the engine as be updated sometime ago, we kept the ISP3 name until we have a major upgrade release?

What about upgrading the bundle with new tools?

Obviously planned !

And will we pay TRIPLE for that upgrade wise? (I for example can't jump on any deal, because I already have all but MAGMA and the BBE bundle).

Well thanks for being such a loyal customer ! But you can now JUMP on MAGMA for ONLY $39! That's right ONLY $39 bucks with FREE shipping! But wait, there's more...

Yeah I know, I'm a funny guy

Back to the question : While the Nomad team coded BBE products and distributed them via Nomad's website, these are apart and we have already reflected that at Plugivery and DontCrack. BBE is a brand on its own and they'll never be part of a Nomad Factory Bundle for as long as I know...

Add to that the questions: will we ISP users see implementations of "previously released plugins" sooner than "after 2 years" this time around? Unless that is a moot point with the 99USD sale - completely slashing the value of the bundle.

Here I feel you are a little rude. ISP3 as been upgraded (with engine 4) and we included best sellers Magnetic II, Cosmos and Echoes

I AM an ISP bundle user, and I don't want to pay for things triple - yet I don't want to feel left out as somebody that actually invested money rather than jumping in super low sales. And to be honest - Drum Tools doesn't interest me atm.

Yes but you can now buy Drum Tools at ONLY...

I totally understand the problem but while some professionals like you purchase products at launch and pay a certain price for them (sometimes introductory , at the end most products and bundles (in terms of quantity) have been sold during hard discount promotions. That's todays market and it's the same for all software companies we deal with. We've always supported loyal customers when they contact us...

Also, if you look at our previous announcements, we have always covered our loyal customers and I don't even recall the last time we had an upgrade product page for Nomad Products. No one as ever paid for a P&M upgrade either

Tat last, here's what Ashley mentioned above concerning upgrades : "But, please be aware that this may take some time as the developers and team need to review code from 40+ hard drives recovered from Nomad HQ, may need to reverse engineer and bring them up-to-date through a new framework. We also wish to enhance them, so stay tuned for updates."

Well I hope that answers your thoughts for now. We'll do our very best to keep Nomad things up and running but please be just a little patient, we have a lot to deal with while other companies also rely on us to launch, promote, upgrade their products...

Meanwhile, the Nomad promo is doing very very well and that surely assures continuity !

Thank you all for the massive support.

Kind Regards - Peter

[Plugivery]

I was actually taking the piss out of the grammar...

"hole" instead of "whole"...

Nothing to do with your service or the aims of the company at all...

I was talking about a girl I used to know and being quite crude about it...

Don't worry mate...It's an Australian thing...

We're always taking the piss...

It helps keep us a little more sane in this crazy world

Hey digitalboytn,

You Rock !

Thanks for making this world a little cooler... (I should use this in a song)

Cheers - Peter

[Compyfox]

What about the ISP bundle? AFAIK we're currently on Engine v4, but if it's sold it's still called ISP3 Bundle.

Yes you are right! While the engine as be updated sometime ago, we kept the ISP3 name until we have a major upgrade release?

The question in this case - what is considered "major upgrade"?
And what will be bundled.

What about upgrading the bundle with new tools?

Obviously planned !

Good to hear. Probably no ETA yet due to restructuring and the HDD / code salvaging. Which is only understandable.

Back to the question : While the Nomad team coded BBE products and distributed them via Nomad's website, these are apart and we have already reflected that at Plugivery and DontCrack. BBE is a brand on its own and they'll never be part of a Nomad Factory Bundle for as long as I know...

I figured that actually - but my main concern is the upgrade fee for ISP users.

You see, the MSRP for ISP was 599USD (yes, I also got it discounted at some point).
To my knowledge, the upgrades were always something between 30-80USD. And then the one or another plugin "seeded" into the ISP bundle.

My question is... how will you perform with this from now on?
What will upgrade fees be? Will there be crossgrades from "what you already have", or from the VIP bundle, etc? Small details, big impact IMO. So a lot to discuss internally.

Add to that the questions: will we ISP users see implementations of "previously released plugins" sooner than "after 2 years" this time around? Unless that is a moot point with the 99USD sale - completely slashing the value of the bundle.

Here I feel you are a little rude.

Could be - busy, tiring weeks recently, lots of beta testing (with all bells and whistles), etc. Could be that my posts come on stronger than usual lately. Sorry about that.

ISP3 as been upgraded (with engine 4) and we included best sellers Magnetic II, Cosmos and Echoes

Er... I remember it a bit different.

The time that the ALL-TECH was released, ISP3 was fairly fresh. During the following years, ECHOES, Magnetic II, Cosmos and MAGMA (which I still like to call "StylusRMX effects outsourced") surfaced. i think it took almost two years until Echoes and Magnetic turned into part of ISP3, then he update to Engine 4 came (bundling Cosmos), MAGMA was still separate. Parallel to that, the VIP bundle flourished. And then came the cancer news... after that... somewhat of a grinding halt.

What I'm aiming at, is the long waiting times for the bundle users.

This should definitely be handled a bit different IMO. Maybe just 3-6 months of waiting time from now on, with a small upgrade fee (20 bucks maybe) ever so often rather than 1-2 years and no upgrade fee, or 99bucks.

Just my two cents.

I totally understand the problem but while some professionals like you purchase products at launch and pay a certain price for them (sometimes introductory , at the end most products and bundles (in terms of quantity) have been sold during hard discount promotions. That's todays market and it's the same for all software companies we deal with. We've always supported loyal customers when they contact us...

Except that things kind of got lost in translation during the cancer months... at least my experience. Though I am not saying that the support was bad (you actually fixed one bug I found in the British NEQ fairly quick IIRC) - just very, very delayed.

What seems to be a trigger issue currently, is the huge price slash of up to 96% discount. A lot of us longtime KVRians have seen that many, many times with companies that were like "one time only", and a couple of week later - they dropped off the planet. Hence our skepticism.

Also, if you look at our previous announcements, we have always covered our loyal customers and I don't even recall the last time we had an upgrade product page for Nomad Products. No one as ever paid for a P&M upgrade either

Can't speak for P&M (aka the VIP bundle) as I'm not a user of that set (yet), but yes... it's been a while to pay for the ISP bundle upgrades.

Well I hope that answers your thoughts for now. We'll do our very best to keep Nomad things up and running but please be just a little patient, we have a lot to deal with while other companies also rely on us to launch, promote, upgrade their products...

Personally I'm still hesitant and on a tight budget. So no further Nomad Factory material for me (read: Drum Tools and MAGMA, not counting the P&M suite either - and I've yet to install Bus Driver, busy weeks...). But we at least now know what's up.


Still... another company to keep a closer eye on...

[simon.a.billington]

I was actually taking the piss out of the grammar...

"hole" instead of "whole"...

Nothing to do with your service or the aims of the company at all...

I was talking about a girl I used to know and being quite crude about it...

Don't worry mate...It's an Australian thing...

We're always taking the piss...

It helps keep us a little more sane in this crazy world

I have to agree there. I recently called an American dude a "bitch" because he got to play around with a nice shiny piece of expensive hardware.

Of course I had to explain that many Aussie dudes call each other names like that to show their envy with the other person.

Pointing out grammar errors is just a way to take the piss out of someone, but in a non offencive way...

That is unless someone misinterprets it. Haha!!

[Compyfox]

Wait wait wait.... Am I making this up right now, or did I really read this as cross reference?
Am I understanding this right that "Ashley_Plugivery" is actually Ashley Smith? Formerly associated with Slate Digital?


Sadly there is no emoticon that currently fits my expression... somewhat in a state of shock and surprise...

[bassg]

Wait wait wait.... Am I making this up right now, or did I really read this as cross reference?
Am I understanding this right that "Ashley_Plugivery" is actually Ashley Smith? Formerly associated with Slate Digital?


Sadly there is no emoticon that currently fits my expression... somewhat in a state of shock and surprise...

Yes, that seems to be correct, found some Ashley Smith on LinkedIn with references to both Slate Digital and Plugivery (and many others actually)...now, is your surprise more on the positive side or rather the opposite?

[robotmonkey]

I find it really weird that with all the software I own, I don't own a single Nomad Factory plug in... I don't even think I've ever demoed one. Why is that? I guess I should check them out.

This. Strangely enough Nomad Factory has never "clicked" with me either. I have tried various stuff over the years but always felt a bit meh. Even the 8$ did not convince me to get anything even though I re-tried some of the Blue Tubes series of plugins.

I do like Plug & Mix a lot, which seems to be some warmed over Nomad Plugins and Modules from Magma.

[bassg]

...
I also want to mention that MAGMA is a concern for us. We know it has some issues particularly in certain DAWs like reaper and others. MAGMA is a fantastic product but the issues mainly come from the fact that the plug-in can also "host" 3rd party VST plug-ins, and that is very tricky to handle considering the numerous amount of DAWs available with so many different versions. Any plug-in that can host third party plug-ins have some issues and we'll work on it to make it more stable ASAP...

This grabbed my attention...I purchased Magma (together with ISP3 bundle) although it doesn't work too well on my computers (truth is they're both rather dated - laptop with T7200 CPU and Win7 32bit, Q9400 in the desktop system running Win7 64bit).

The plugin is very CPU demanding - it uses 60% of each core on T7200 and around 25% of each core on Q9400 - and that's right after I insert it to a project (doesn't matter if it's Orion or Reaper) without any sound processing.

Adding effects has almost no impact on the performance, as soon as I close the GUI the CPU usage decreases to normal level and the plugin works normally...is there a hope that there will be a new version coming (anytime soon)? I really love the concept of this and the effects aren't too bad either, it would be great if it worked a bit more efficiently on the GUI part...

[Compyfox]

Yes, that seems to be correct, found some Ashley Smith on LinkedIn with references to both Slate Digital and Plugivery (and many others actually)...now, is your surprise more on the positive side or rather the opposite?

Not sure yet to be honest... want confirmation by the Plugivery people first.

[bassg]

Not sure yet to be honest... want confirmation by the Plugivery people first.

Yes, sure, I can be mistaken...the LinkedIn profile seems to be rather clear in this regard though (I mean there's Ashley Smith who used to work for Slate Digital and who is currently working for Plugivery, so I guess it's the same person you were referring to). Anyway, I am leaving this up to Plugivery to confirm...or not. Cheers!

[Ashley_Plugivery]

Hello world!

I knew I'd be hunted down eventually, lol... Yes, it's me; your Super Tech Support, QA genius to the stars and Engineer/Producer supreme. A man of many hats! Hope you've all been well.

I'm here as all our team to assist with Nomad Factory and all the brands/manufacturers we work with.

Here's the scoop from our press release back in December (Edit; I made the image smaller )...

We've just recently added SampleMagic and Audionamix; as official distributors of.

Plugivery Press Release
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Tuesday December 14, 2015

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Plugivery.com today proudly announces the appointment of Ashley Smith as the Creative Development and Product Specialist for all their distributed and partnered software brands that include Applied Acoustics Systems, BBE Sound Software, Flux, GRM Tools, Ircam Lab, Nomad Factory, Metric Halo, Nugen Audio and many more.

During the AES show in New-York last month, Plugivery sought out and obtained the rights for the software manufacturers Uebershall, Metric Halo, Overloud and Matthew Lane for worldwide distribution*.

Ashley's work experience in the music industry is extensive. He has worked with numerous manufacturers/companies (ex. former QA Manager, Beta Test Co-Ordinator and Senior Tech Support Specialist for Slate Digital, Beta Tester and Creative Development Resource for the likes of Avid, Focusrite, FXpansion, Native Instruments, Overloud, SSL and more).

Ashley is also an accomplished Recording/Mix Engineer and Assistant with credits including: Brad Whitford of legendary band Aerosmith, Derek St. Holmes of Ted Nugent band, Leona Lewis, X-Factor UK, American Idol just to name a few. An impressive career.

Ashley's resume is a gold mine of knowledge and hands-on experience in the commercial audio marketplace and music industry. Plugivery is honoured to have obtained his skills/services for the growth, expansion, and the support of its business, its partners and its customers.

“Plugivery is a great company of like minded individuals with a clear vision for future technologies, truly supporting companies to elevate sales, and promoting product development goals through their business. I'm very excited about our future relationship.” says Ashley.

About Plugivery
Plugivery.com is a B2B (business to business) distribution service whose purpose is to introduce audio software products into hundreds of music stores all around the world carefully considering every need of a truly professional distribution service based on electronic delivery. The name Plugivery comes from the combination of the words "Plug-in" and "Delivery".

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[Compyfox]

Hello world!

I knew I'd be hunted down eventually, lol... Yes, it's me; your Super Tech Support, QA genius to the stars and Engineer/Producer supreme. A man of many hats! Hope you've all been well.

Okay - now that this is official... I'm voicing my relief.

Though my only issue I'm having with this - you're (sadly?) not sitting in the Support Section of NF.

[Numanoid]

Don't worry mate...It's an Australian thing...

We're always taking the piss...

Hey digitalboytn

The correct greeting is G'day