Official Arturia VCollection5 thread

[chk071]

Let's see, for $199, forgetting the stuff that I don't care about like the pianos and organs...

I got

A CS 80 that I can actually program
A 2600 that I can actually program
A Moog Modular that I can actually program

A Synclavier that, if released by a company like U-he, would cost at least $199 on its own. Until you've dived into this beast you have no clue what it's capable of doing.

Nobody is putting a gun to your head to buy this. If you think it's too much. If you think you're not getting enough value for your money, the solution is pretty darn simple.

DON'T BUY IT!!!

Man, and people get on my case when I complain that a GUI is hard to read.

Such hypocrisy.

Good for you. I'm guessing you've owned the bundle for a while. The update has value for YOU then. Me? I could care less about the new stuff, I care that I have to upgrade something I just purchased barely 6 months ago.

How good that everyone is free to decide whether he wants to buy the upgrade or not then. It often comes over as someone would be "forced" to upgrade.

[exmatproton]

Let's see, for $199, forgetting the stuff that I don't care about like the pianos and organs...

I got

A CS 80 that I can actually program
A 2600 that I can actually program
A Moog Modular that I can actually program

A Synclavier that, if released by a company like U-he, would cost at least $199 on its own. Until you've dived into this beast you have no clue what it's capable of doing.

Nobody is putting a gun to your head to buy this. If you think it's too much. If you think you're not getting enough value for your money, the solution is pretty darn simple.

DON'T BUY IT!!!

Man, and people get on my case when I complain that a GUI is hard to read.

Such hypocrisy.

Good for you. I'm guessing you've owned the bundle for a while. The update has value for YOU then. Me? I could care less about the new stuff, I care that I have to upgrade something I just purchased barely 6 months ago.

How good that everyone is free to decide whether he wants to buy the upgrade or not then. It often comes over as someone would be "forced" to upgrade.

Ah, but that won't solve the almost unusable UI's of V4 and lower. This is almost forcing to pay to get "good" working plugins, after already having paid for it...no, this isn't justified imho.

[chk071]

Let's see, for $199, forgetting the stuff that I don't care about like the pianos and organs...

I got

A CS 80 that I can actually program
A 2600 that I can actually program
A Moog Modular that I can actually program

A Synclavier that, if released by a company like U-he, would cost at least $199 on its own. Until you've dived into this beast you have no clue what it's capable of doing.

Nobody is putting a gun to your head to buy this. If you think it's too much. If you think you're not getting enough value for your money, the solution is pretty darn simple.

DON'T BUY IT!!!

Man, and people get on my case when I complain that a GUI is hard to read.

Such hypocrisy.

Good for you. I'm guessing you've owned the bundle for a while. The update has value for YOU then. Me? I could care less about the new stuff, I care that I have to upgrade something I just purchased barely 6 months ago.

How good that everyone is free to decide whether he wants to buy the upgrade or not then. It often comes over as someone would be "forced" to upgrade.

Ah, but that won't solve the almost unusable UI's of V4 and lower. This is almost forcing to pay to get "good" working plugins, after already having paid for it...no, this isn't justified imho.

How is that "forcing" anyone to upgrade? You decide for yourself if that's worth upgrading, or if you don't need the upgrade for that price.

Btw, "almost unusable GUI" is highly exaggerated. I used the old plugins with that GUI as well, and unless you're half blind, you CAN work with them. But of course, they're not ideal. But then, show me a plugin with an ideal GUI, which has been released over 10 years ago.

[Spitfire31]

A Synclavier that, if released by a company like U-he, would cost at least $199 on its own. Until you've dived into this beast you have no clue what it's capable of doing.

Well, a Synclavier, released on its own by a company like Arturia, costs – guess what?

Good guess: $199. Plus European VAT.

I really want it, but that's a bit more than I'm prepared to pay right now. I hope there will be a sale at some time…

/Joachim

[exmatproton]

Let's see, for $199, forgetting the stuff that I don't care about like the pianos and organs...

I got

A CS 80 that I can actually program
A 2600 that I can actually program
A Moog Modular that I can actually program

A Synclavier that, if released by a company like U-he, would cost at least $199 on its own. Until you've dived into this beast you have no clue what it's capable of doing.

Nobody is putting a gun to your head to buy this. If you think it's too much. If you think you're not getting enough value for your money, the solution is pretty darn simple.

DON'T BUY IT!!!

Man, and people get on my case when I complain that a GUI is hard to read.

Such hypocrisy.

Good for you. I'm guessing you've owned the bundle for a while. The update has value for YOU then. Me? I could care less about the new stuff, I care that I have to upgrade something I just purchased barely 6 months ago.

How good that everyone is free to decide whether he wants to buy the upgrade or not then. It often comes over as someone would be "forced" to upgrade.

Ah, but that won't solve the almost unusable UI's of V4 and lower. This is almost forcing to pay to get "good" working plugins, after already having paid for it...no, this isn't justified imho.

How is that "forcing" anyone to upgrade? You decide for yourself if that's worth upgrading, or if you don't need the upgrade for that price.

Btw, "almost unusable GUI" is highly exaggerated. I used the old plugins with that GUI as well, and unless you're half blind, you CAN work with them. But of course, they're not ideal. But then, show me a plugin with an ideal GUI, which has been released over 10 years ago.

Well, there you have it, over 10 years ago. These plugins should've been updated a long time ago for free. With ui's that actually let one do proper programming. Expecially the arp, modular, jup and cs are just aweful to work with. And i am far from alone with this feeling. 'Not ideal' really is an understatement.

Modular and arp are a real pain in the ass. After demoing the new interface, i feel double f**cked. This is how they should've worked all along. Now again, the complete v5 upgrade for €199,- is just a good deal, so i will probably go for that choice, but that update is just plain stupid.

It really feels like dlc. Especially since halve of the UI's are new and already working properly. So this update is only effective for a couple of them. Matrix, prophet, solina and the others were just fine. Therefor, €99,- isn't justified to upDATE.

[phaded]

A Synclavier that, if released by a company like U-he, would cost at least $199 on its own. Until you've dived into this beast you have no clue what it's capable of doing.

Well, a Synclavier, released on its own by a company like Arturia, costs – guess what?

Good guess: $199. Plus European VAT
/Joachim

Might also be noted that the U-He pricing references vs Arturia are not apples-to-apples:

[exmatproton]

A Synclavier that, if released by a company like U-he, would cost at least $199 on its own. Until you've dived into this beast you have no clue what it's capable of doing.

Well, a Synclavier, released on its own by a company like Arturia, costs – guess what?

Good guess: $199. Plus European VAT
/Joachim

Might also be noted that the U-He pricing references vs Arturia are not apples-to-apples:

[sin night]

The old GUIs are from an era when resolution was lower than now. The Minimoog V was initially released in 2004 and that kind of interface was fine at the time.

It's not strange a new GUI is a paid upgrade. Obviously I prefer when it's free but I'm fine with paying because this is something introduced after my initial purchase, it's a new requirement, it's part of the maintenance. It can be paid maintenance because they sold the software "as is" (and we purchased it as it was, knowing the GUI state), they didn't state the new gui in development was part of that purchase, so it's actually a new requirement (and they can charge for that). It should have been implemented way back, but that's another thing.

I'm fortunate I only have a few single items, so I didn't spend much this time (I upgraded them individually, I'm not interested in having all those keys in my setup).
Buying a full suite/bundle gives a lot for the money, with the drawback of being forced to upgrade the whole suite and not just the single items that are used. But that's the deal with every company.


If some companies don't charge for maintenance (or even new features), that's up to their business model (and kudos to them!), they do maintenance in order to keep their products on the market and get new customers (and that of course benefits existing customers).
As customers, we are only entitled to ask for what's been sold to us (both advertised as ready or as a future upgrade included with the purchase) and free bug fixes if that doesn't work as expected on the platform the software supported when sold. If we get something more, that's completely up to the developer.
Arturia, in my opinion, has adopted "the suite business model": make a lot of stuffs, sell them as a whole package, charge customers from time to time both for maintenance and to add a bunch of new stuffs in the suite, then repeat. It's the same as Komplete.

I'm going off topic...

[Aloysius]

The text is very faint on 'Analog Lab 2'. Almost invisible. Otherwise, the Presets seem to load at a reasonable pace. Overall, this makes me happy. I can actually use it. Not something I can say about every Arturia product I've purchased.

I'll be sticking with my UVI Synclavier.

[Rommelaar]

I bought the upgrade, I went from v3 to v5, and I am happy with what I paid for. I bought v3 when Arturia had a 50% discount, and now I could upgrade to v5 for 199 euros; extra instruments, VST3 plugins. Kudos to Arturia, for not forgetting their software customers.

[exmatproton]

I bought the upgrade, I went from v3 to v5, and I am happy with what I paid for. I bought v3 when Arturia had a 50% discount, and now I could upgrade to v5 for 199 euros; extra instruments, VST3 plugins. Kudos to Arturia, for not forgetting their software customers.

Now that is a neat upgrade for sure

[wagtunes]

A Synclavier that, if released by a company like U-he, would cost at least $199 on its own. Until you've dived into this beast you have no clue what it's capable of doing.

Well, a Synclavier, released on its own by a company like Arturia, costs – guess what?

Good guess: $199. Plus European VAT
/Joachim

Might also be noted that the U-He pricing references vs Arturia are not apples-to-apples:

Let me ask you a question. How many updates has Zebra 2 had? I can't recall any since I bought it 2 years ago. And I'm sure the next update is going to be Zebra 3 which I will have to pay for.

So what exactly is the difference?

[MickGael]

An open plea to Arturia:

PLEASE consider adding "page views" back to the Modular interface.

Relying on resizing to facilitate scrolling does NOT work nearly as well as does the page view approach - which was brilliantly simple and elegant.

Consider:

1. You can only size down to 60%, which - on my system - still requires scrolling (which is hard, as I'm finding the scroll bar fussy and small).

2. This approach defeats the welcome advantage of the generally larger GUI, for when you size it smaller, you lose the larger knobs, etc.

As a usability professional, let me suggest that this is a (well-intentioned) step backwards.

[paulbreeze]

And I'm sure the next update is going to be Zebra 3 which I will have to pay for.

Not if you bought Zebra HZ ...

[mcbpete]

Let me ask you a question. How many updates has Zebra 2 had? I can't recall any since I bought it 2 years ago.

I can - http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 1&t=448055