KVR Audio

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 11:40 am

jbw wrote:Never understood the love for Logic. Like the rest of Apple's software, it's just not very good.

Why, there's people loving every other non-perfect DAW too, it just happens Logic is closest to delivering workflow many people seek in a DAW.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:25 pm

[DELETED]

SirkusPi · Post by **SirkusPi** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:34 pm

I'm still on 10.9.5, but between updates to Final Cut long ago leaving Mavericks behind, and now this, I think it's time to move on. I'm just waiting for the (likely last El Capitan) 10.11.6 update to come out, and then set aside an afternoon and hope for the best ...

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:42 pm

[DELETED]

Dewdman42 · Post by **Dewdman42** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:18 pm

10.9 is only a couple of years old and by far represents the most stable version of OSX at the moment. Both Yosemite and El Capitan have had significant issues. There are still web pages dedicated to the audio industry stating which audio stuff does not yet work under 10.11. I think its positively outrageous and arrogant for Apple to force 10.11 updates upon users in order to get this "minor" update to LPX. Furthermore its preposterous that Apple continues to force people to upgrade the OS every year just to keep up with the software they use...particularly when these OS upgrades often contain as many new problems as new features. I actually really love using OSX....but Apple is doing everything in its power to ruin my user experience, every year they pull some crap like this.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:25 pm

dayjob wrote:shit. was expecting 10.9.5 friendly

how is 10.10 these days? have all the devs caught up by now?

But it is impossible to install a version of software that is not supported by the OS right?

I mean, so that a user will be prompted when starting the installation that their OS must be updated in order to perform the installation?

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:27 pm

jbw wrote:Never understood the love for Logic. Like the rest of Apple's software, it's just not very good.

Each to his own.

I would love to be able to run Logic in Windows 10

Seeing what users get for their money, it is difficult to find a DAW more equipped than Logic

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:29 pm

It can't be that bad anyway, if so many, also professional, users swear on it. Nonetheless, lack of backwards compatibility, and such narrow time frames to support a OS version would p*** me off big time. It's the Apple way though. Buy or die.

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:34 pm

Dewdman42 wrote:10.9 is only a couple of years old and by far represents the most stable version of OSX at the moment. Both Yosemite and El Capitan have had significant issues. There are still web pages dedicated to the audio industry stating which audio stuff does not yet work under 10.11. I think its positively outrageous and arrogant for Apple to force 10.11 updates upon users in order to get this "minor" update to LPX. Furthermore its preposterous that Apple continues to force people to upgrade the OS every year just to keep up with the software they use...particularly when these OS upgrades often contain as many new problems as new features. I actually really love using OSX....but Apple is doing everything in its power to ruin my user experience, every year they pull some crap like this.

Agree absolutely, really like OS X and Logic, but they really ruined both of them enough to kill my desire to keep using them beyond what I have now, didn't lost my mind to pretend it's all dandy, my next DAW will be something Windows based and any new machine too, definitely out of Apple loop for good.

Dewdman42 · Post by **Dewdman42** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:36 pm

Going apple is kind of an all or nothing proposition. You have to be willing to upgrade your hardware constantly, make sure you have a retina display, thunderbolt and everything else they keep changing...and upgrade the OS every year...like it or not..or else within a year or two you will be unable to upgrade your application software....ESPECIALLY the software made by Apple. Third parties are usually a little better about keeping some backwards compatability. Apple constantly forces everyone, developers and users alike to jump through hoops every year at their whim to adapt to non-backwards-compatible changes they make...some of them innovative and useful...some of them idiotic, but we are forced to accept the bad with the good or get out. Basically you have to be a koolaid drinking Apple fan boy with your wallet out and ready, or else every other year you will get pissed off like I am now.

sprnva · Post by **sprnva** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:39 pm

You might be able to trick installers or apps to run on an earlier OS version, but it depends on what the app requires. Newer OS versions have system libraries and calls that are not in earlier releases. The only way to know is to try it. However in the case of Logic, the App Store won't let you download it if you're not running the required system version.

I was quite happy on 10.6 but it was NI and Ableton that forced my hand by dropping support. So far, 10.10 is doing OK. Hoping 10.12 irons out some of the bugs from 10.11. I wouldn't have a problem with the annual upgrades if they didn't bring the risk of breaking core features, but Apple's QA went out the window long ago. Still, I'll gladly put up with it over trying to deal with a Windows-based DAW system.

LFO8 · Post by **LFO8** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:44 pm

Dewdman42 wrote:10.9 is only a couple of years old and by far represents the most stable version of OSX at the moment. Both Yosemite and El Capitan have had significant issues.

To me, Mavericks was buggy and Yosemite the most stable. Running on a Mid 2012 Mac Pro. Not touching El Capitan yet. It's always best to stay about a year and a half behind on OS releases. Totally no need to upgrade every year. No one forces you to upgrade every year.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:45 pm

LFO8 wrote:
Dewdman42 wrote:10.9 is only a couple of years old and by far represents the most stable version of OSX at the moment. Both Yosemite and El Capitan have had significant issues.
To me, Mavericks was buggy and Yosemite the most stable. Running on a Mid 2012 Mac Pro. Not touching El Capitan yet. It's always best to stay about a year and a half behind on OS releases. Totally no need to upgrade every year. No one forces you to upgrade every year.

Yes that's what I do, I upgraded to Yosemite when El Cap came out.

Dewdman42 · Post by **Dewdman42** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:46 pm

See I on the other hand think its takes Apple about a year and a half just to work out the bugs in their OS...just when each version is starting to get stable, they release the next unstable version...often times leaving many unfixed problems in the previous version...they will fix some of those problems in the next version, but introduce a bunch of new problems at the same time...

Everyone is chasing their tails trying to keep up with OSX eye candy and icloud crap I could care less about and OSX is almost constantly in a state of instability.

When I get a version of OSX that is running reasonably well, and I've worked through all the myriad of work arounds and hacks to make it work well enough for me and it basically gets my job done...the last thing I want to do is upgrade to the next unstable version of OSX just because Apple wants to force me too. I would gladly stay on Mavericks for another 5 years with no reason to upgrade whatsoever...were it not for Apple trying to force me to go be unstable.

And don't get me started about the lousy system font in 10.10 and 10.11.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:56 pm

I don't get statements like "they ruined Logic enough", it's a very good DAW and I've been making a living using it since the late 1980s, but that's probably just my selective perception.

Logic Pro X v10.2.3 is out