Tone2 will release Icarus - 3D WaveTable Synthesizer

[chk071]

This isn't relevant to this shortcoming of their proclaimed "...masterpiece and the most powerful wavetable synthesizer on the market."

Please, don't always quote them on their marketing bla. The cheese you will have for dinner is "premium" quality too, even if you bought it for an extremely low price at the discount market.

Regarding your point: I don't need more than 3 LFO's, or 5-10 envelopes. And i don't have many synths which have such a feature set either. A synth can't have everything. Sometimes the limitation in some regards is the source of inspiration, to quote some sentimental KVR wisdom.

Ah, but that is the crux, isn't it. They sell it like blah blah blah, but the synth itself isn't on par with that....

Show me the synth which is totally up to par with every marketing claim made. Good luck.

Falcon

Well, let's see (this'll be fun).

From the KVR product page (description by the manufacturer):

Most complete hybrid instrument available

Debatable.

Incredible sound quality

Debatable, subjective.

Unique and powerful effects

I don't see what's so unique about reverbs, delays, filters, distortions, dynamics processors etc. At the very least, debatable.

Infinite possibilities

Pretty much in the hand of the user. Most other synths with a more or less complex feature set offer infinite possibilities too.

See where we are going? There is no company which doesn't do marketing claims which are at least debatable, if not to say, lack any real coherence, or don't apply to dozens of other instruments either. But then, you said yourself that you don't want to create a big debate out of it. It's just a marketing phrase. Forget about it, and now that you can demo Icarus, see for yourself.

[aMUSEd]

Looks like beside the official Tone2 website both Best Service and JRR Shop do sell Tone2 products too (Icarus not availabkle from those yet):

http://www.bestservice.de/en/tone2.html

https://www.jrrshop.com/tone2

AFAIK discounts/sales usually should be only offered on those, not at the official Tone2 shop.

For new products like Icarus it should take a while until sales are offered at those redistrubutors mentioned above.

Thank you for this information, for those wishing to purchase Icarus or any other T2 product it seems buy from Uncle E at the JRR shop and NOT the T2 shop, US and other non EU buyers will save $50 plus on purchases.

Bizarre

I'm still seeing $199 at JRR even if I put it in my cart.

You may need to create an account, I see all T2 synths at $149 Electra 2 etc, Icarus is of course not there yet.

Icarus is there, but $199, I have an account.

[LeVzi]

Seems like an amazing Synth from the specs regardless of the past indiscretions of the developer.
Worth remembering that new and upcoming producers that aren't battle hardened to the pathetic shenanigans
from tone 2 viewing this Synth in a completely different light.

I am almost tempted to purchase it myself, but nah any developer that punishes paid users at the expense of potential lost sales is not a developer I can support.

I guess in the end developers like Xfer (Steve Duda) who also produce an equally excellent wavetable monster clean up on big sales, in the long run.

What rubbish is this now ? T2 have always been alright, so much BS was thrown around ages ago, pretty much all confined to KVR and none was proven.

If you like the synth, buy it, if you dont, then move onto something else.

[exmatproton]

This isn't relevant to this shortcoming of their proclaimed "...masterpiece and the most powerful wavetable synthesizer on the market."

Please, don't always quote them on their marketing bla. The cheese you will have for dinner is "premium" quality too, even if you bought it for an extremely low price at the discount market.

Regarding your point: I don't need more than 3 LFO's, or 5-10 envelopes. And i don't have many synths which have such a feature set either. A synth can't have everything. Sometimes the limitation in some regards is the source of inspiration, to quote some sentimental KVR wisdom.

Ah, but that is the crux, isn't it. They sell it like blah blah blah, but the synth itself isn't on par with that....

Show me the synth which is totally up to par with every marketing claim made. Good luck.

Falcon

Well, let's see (this'll be fun).

From the KVR product page (description by the manufacturer):

Most complete hybrid instrument available

Debatable.

Incredible sound quality

Debatable, subjective.

Unique and powerful effects

I don't see what's so unique about reverbs, delays, filters, distortions, dynamics processors etc. At the very least, debatable.

Infinite possibilities

Pretty much in the hand of the user. Most other synths with a more or less complex feature set offer infinite possibilities too.

See where we are going? There is no company which doesn't do marketing claims which are at least debatable, if not to say, lack any real coherence, or don't apply to dozens of other instruments either. But then, you said yourself that you don't want to create a big debate out of it. It's just a marketing phrase. Forget about it, and now that you can demo Icarus, see for yourself.

Funny guy...

Others then?

Everything from U-He? Good luck to you this time....

Kidding....

I have run the demo, as you can read in one of my previous posts. And it is what i say; fun synth, great tool. Nothing more, nothing less...

About falcon: their marketing talk is way more on par with what they actually sell. Sure, everything is debatable, but in that line, everything is subjective as well. In terms of objective statements, tone2 is never on par by a long shot. That is a difference imho. And it is the same with Icarus.

But indeed, whatever. I like tone2 synths for what they do provide. So i will quit this nibbling about subjective poeha...

[LeVzi]

I downloaded and tried the demo last night briefly, and the sound as always with T2 synths is quality.

I am out of touch with WT synths only really used massive in the past, so trying this, going to try Serum at sometpoint to see how they differ.

I like Icarus so far, gonna take me time to learn it, but basic messing is producing nice tones

[chk071]

Funny guy...

Others then?

Well, i will surely not make a company bash fest out of this, especially with a company with so many fanbois present here. Thing is, you named a product, i proved you wrong. Enough said really.

[exmatproton]

Funny guy...

Others then?

Well, i will surely not make a company bash fest out of this, especially with a company with so many fanbois present here. Thing is, you named a product, i proved you wrong. Enough said really.

Wrong?? Debatable won't make me wrong. And to be honest, since we will not debate this at all, you did not prove anything either... all good

[kurodo]

What rubbish is this now ? T2 have always been alright, so much BS was thrown around ages ago, pretty much all confined to KVR and none was proven.

If you like the synth, buy it, if you dont, then move onto something else.

I like the Synth but already own Serum (a fantastic Synth) even so I think there's a few technical differences that make Icarus very interesting indeed.

But please don't tell me what I should lay my hard cash on or try to tell me what I should do.
The BS you mention was propagated directly from the developer.
Its simple, anyone that's been around knows what I am talking of.

[chk071]

Nevermind.

[woodsdenis]

Looks like beside the official Tone2 website both Best Service and JRR Shop do sell Tone2 products too (Icarus not availabkle from those yet):

http://www.bestservice.de/en/tone2.html

https://www.jrrshop.com/tone2

AFAIK discounts/sales usually should be only offered on those, not at the official Tone2 shop.

For new products like Icarus it should take a while until sales are offered at those redistrubutors mentioned above.

Thank you for this information, for those wishing to purchase Icarus or any other T2 product it seems buy from Uncle E at the JRR shop and NOT the T2 shop, US and other non EU buyers will save $50 plus on purchases.

Bizarre

I'm still seeing $199 at JRR even if I put it in my cart.

You may need to create an account, I see all T2 synths at $149 Electra 2 etc, Icarus is of course not there yet.

Icarus is there, but $199, I have an account.

Sorry I missed that, bizarre how $199 synths in the T2 shop are $149 in JRR except for Icarus of course.I doubt anyone from T2 will come here to explain it. I am all for supporting small developers but T2 need to address their crazy price discrepancies especially for Non EU buyers. Of course they can price in different territories as they wish but charging $199 for a synth that should cost $136 (Euro price €149 less VAT =€121.14 converted to dollars) is at best a mistake by a terrible accountant or at worst a blatant rip off.

[Nielzie]

Oops wrong thread.

[exmatproton]

1xIcarus:

1 OSC, 2 Filters, 1 reverb, just playing with the knobs from scratch...no arrangement, no external fx, just me hitting keys.

Final 1:30 minutes is Falcon (used that to sample and hold the last 10 seconds from my Icarus recording)

https://soundcloud.com/exmatproton/sess ... rus-test-1

[wagtunes]

Everybody markets.

Hopefully, nobody buys based on it.

I know I don't.

[pdxindy]

FWIW the LFOs in Icarus go up to 440Hz so they could be used for audio rate modulations.

I noticed this, but no ability to use an oscillator as a mod source is a mistake, IMO. That really opens things up for mayhem.

Also, it is not quite accurate to say an LFO that goes up to 440 hz can do audio rate modulations. Yes, it is audible so in a sense audio rate... but the LFO's are calculated at control rate, not audio rate.

[pdxindy]

Debatable.
Debatable, subjective.
debatable.

See, that shows the difference right there... the Tone 2 claims are not even debatable.