Tone2 will release Icarus - 3D WaveTable Synthesizer

[Robmobius]

I don't get the hate either... Sure, they over hype their products, but so does everyone else. Their synth prices are inline with most other stuff (in that bracket). Exchange rate and VAT can't really be helped.

Anytime I've dealt with them they've been more than cool, their support is great (from my experience).

If you don't particularly like their synths, that's fine plenty more to choose form.

But I still think Tone2 and U-he are at the top of the pile.

[JoeCat]

I'm close to pulling the release handle on a Tone2 synth, but for now it will more likely be Nemesis. Icarus is promising though.

Outside of the constant nonconstructive rants, there are still quite a few reasonable comments concerning the overlap among T2's various offerings and the prices in general. I think their prices are fair (the EU/U.S. exchange is a separate issue, but looks like that's remedy via the dealers), but it's a tough call on where to put the bucks, and there's currently no "synth-only bundle" T, which IMHO would probably be more popular coming in at a lower price than the current offering of all products including sound sets and effects, which are not everyone's bag.

To that end I'm in agreement with some of the previous posts - would LOVE to see a modular/semi-modular "workstation" from these guys. Seems like they're leveraging a lot of great tech already shared among their products, etc., and having a particular "sound" (another recurring theme with T2) can be a positive attribute; and if you don't like it, you can move on.

[exmatproton]

I'm close to pulling the release handle on a Tone2 synth, but for now it will more likely be Nemesis. Icarus is promising though.

Outside of the constant nonconstructive rants, there are still quite a few reasonable comments concerning the overlap among T2's various offerings and the prices in general. I think their prices are fair (the EU/U.S. exchange is a separate issue, but looks like that's remedy via the dealers), but it's a tough call on where to put the bucks, and there's currently no "synth-only bundle" T, which IMHO would probably be more popular coming in at a lower price than the current offering of all products including sound sets and effects, which are not everyone's bag.

To that end I'm in agreement with some of the previous posts - would LOVE to see a modular/semi-modular "workstation" from these guys. Seems like they're leveraging a lot of great tech already shared among their products, etc., and having a particular "sound" (another recurring theme with T2) can be a positive attribute; and if you don't like it, you can move on.

+1 on all points.

There are at this point 2 suggestions from my end; nemesis or rayblaster. Those 2 are quite unique imho.

[johnrule]

I downloaded the demo, and I found the architecture to be confusing. It seems like a wavetable based synth that sequentially plays waves (30? per voice) to achieve some sort of motion/alternating of the waveform? It almost looked like it was setup similar to the Arturia Synclavier V, but I grasped that gui and infrastructure immediately, while this still has be baffled.

Can you explain the design of this synth in one sentence (well, maybe a short paragraph) without using 3D wavetable in your description? And, once you've accomplished that, please explain what exactly you mean by "3D wavetable".

[chk071]

The way i understand it, you have the classic wavetable, which you choose in the bottom middle of the waveform display, in which you morph from waveform to waveform by moving, or modulating the "Wave" control, and additionally, you can transform the actual waveform with different "waveshaping" modes, choosable on the bottom right of the waveform display, by moving, or modulating the "Morph" control. The "Morph" thing is unusual, and i would have expected a few more wavetables, but, the way i see it, it's pretty flexible like this.

Look, i didn't use "3D wavetable" at all. Not even sure what it's supposed to mean, to be totally honest. The only "3D" i see is in the display.

[wagtunes]

I don't get the hate either... Sure, they over hype their products, but so does everyone else. Their synth prices are inline with most other stuff (in that bracket). Exchange rate and VAT can't really be helped.

Anytime I've dealt with them they've been more than cool, their support is great (from my experience).

If you don't particularly like their synths, that's fine plenty more to choose form.

But I still think Tone2 and U-he are at the top of the pile.

I don't hate their synths. I love them. Love the way they sound. Own two of them.

What I hate is how you can go to their web site and pay one price, go to some other site and pay another price and on top of that contact them, tell them you own a number of their synths and get yet another price and how Euro people pay LESS for their synths than US citizens pay.

That's what I don't like.

[aMUSEd]

The way i understand it, you have the classic wavetable, which you choose in the bottom middle of the waveform display, in which you morph from waveform to waveform by moving, or modulating the "Wave" control, and additionally, you can transform the actual waveform with different "waveshaping" modes, choosable on the bottom right of the waveform display, by moving, or modulating the "Morph" control. The "Morph" thing is unusual, and i would have expected a few more wavetables, but, the way i see it, it's pretty flexible like this.

Serum has an extra knob too - as well as the usual Wavetable position scanning knob it has Warp knob which can be setup to warp the wavefile using a wide variety of functions. Is that similar to what the Morph knob does?

[exmatproton]

The way i understand it, you have the classic wavetable, which you choose in the bottom middle of the waveform display, in which you morph from waveform to waveform by moving, or modulating the "Wave" control, and additionally, you can transform the actual waveform with different "waveshaping" modes, choosable on the bottom right of the waveform display, by moving, or modulating the "Morph" control. The "Morph" thing is unusual, and i would have expected a few more wavetables, but, the way i see it, it's pretty flexible like this.

Serum has an extra knob too - as well as the usual Wavetable position scanning knob it has Warp knob which can be setup to warp the wavefile using a wide variety of functions. Is that similar to what the Morph knob does?

It is similar, however, i don't know what kind of technique t2 uses to shape the waveform. A similar knob can be found in massive and falcon. And z3ta+2 has a whole bunch of the same sort waveshaping tools, though those are different in set-up.

[chk071]

The way i understand it, you have the classic wavetable, which you choose in the bottom middle of the waveform display, in which you morph from waveform to waveform by moving, or modulating the "Wave" control, and additionally, you can transform the actual waveform with different "waveshaping" modes, choosable on the bottom right of the waveform display, by moving, or modulating the "Morph" control. The "Morph" thing is unusual, and i would have expected a few more wavetables, but, the way i see it, it's pretty flexible like this.

Serum has an extra knob too - as well as the usual Wavetable position scanning knob it has Warp knob which can be setup to warp the wavefile using a wide variety of functions. Is that similar to what the Morph knob does?

Probably, but i'm not familiar with Serum, so i don't know what the Warp function does there. In Icarus, the Morph function does stuff like waveshaping, amplitude modulation, FM, pitch width modulation, formant, and some other stuff.

[Sampleconstruct]

Morph means phase distortion in Serum, same counts for Falcon.

[Caine123]

hmmmm need to dig more. i love the handling of serum and all the visibility. in icarus it is more buried and a bit clunky. especially those morphing controls etc should bei Set up asap and with a great and easy understandable gui.

[aMUSEd]

The way i understand it, you have the classic wavetable, which you choose in the bottom middle of the waveform display, in which you morph from waveform to waveform by moving, or modulating the "Wave" control, and additionally, you can transform the actual waveform with different "waveshaping" modes, choosable on the bottom right of the waveform display, by moving, or modulating the "Morph" control. The "Morph" thing is unusual, and i would have expected a few more wavetables, but, the way i see it, it's pretty flexible like this.

Serum has an extra knob too - as well as the usual Wavetable position scanning knob it has Warp knob which can be setup to warp the wavefile using a wide variety of functions. Is that similar to what the Morph knob does?

Probably, but i'm not familiar with Serum, so i don't know what the Warp function does there. In Icarus, the Morph function does stuff like waveshaping, amplitude modulation, FM, pitch width modulation, formant, and some other stuff.

Sounds similar ish then, in Serum the Warp knob does all this:

Serum warp.jpg

[chk071]

Yep, pretty much the same thing then, just some options different, and more in Icarus.

[xx JPRacer xx]

I don't get the hate either... Exchange rate and VAT can't really be helped.

Exchange rate, no they don't have control over that. But charging VAT for people outside EU, like people in US or Canada? What do you say about that?

[chk071]

I don't get the hate either... Exchange rate and VAT can't really be helped.

Exchange rate, no they don't have control over that. But charging VAT for people outside EU, like people in US or Canada? What do you say about that?

I really wonder how that is supposed to work when you have to conduct the VAT in the buyer's country, as a company. Puzzled here.