Tone2 will release Icarus - 3D WaveTable Synthesizer

[chk071]

I have no idea. Are you from a country which doesn't charge VAT, and have you ever purchased a Tone2 synth?

[woodsdenis]

double post

[woodsdenis]

As a UK resident who has spent 30+ years buying computers and cameras at prices that bear no reasonable comparison to US prices even when VAT is included I can't help a wry smile when these discussions periodically crop up here

Exactly. USA complaining on a high level here.

Actually I am from Ireland, bad assumption there I pay euros and pay the VAT. Unfair practice is unfair no matter where you live.

If you really can't see the injustice in this by just looking at the T2 website then this conversation is finished.
You could also look up the EU regulations on VAT charging to help you understand, also online you will find very easy to use currency conversion tools to help you out.

Wagtunes is from the US. You also jump to conclusions way too early. Why? You have no idea if VAT is even being processed on checkout. Also you have no idea who is responsible to conduct the VAT. If they use a payment system like ShareIt/Digital River, then i would think that it is responsible for charging VAT based on location, and for the billing. Just step back for a moment, instead of shouting SCANDAL, if you don't even know what exactly is happening here. And especially, if you're not even affected.

Actually you are shouting SCANDAL not me. I don't know whats on the invoice but junior school maths tells me it should be around $136. If you really can't work that one out for yourself well......

Only EU states can charge VAT internally and only when doing trade with another EU state. The US is NOT in the EU. Is that clear enough.

To conclude you think charging $199 instead of $136 is ok and there is nothing wrong with it. Cool you made your point. Good to know where you stand on this. I don't think its ok, we agree to disagree, please block me as I have done you.

Perhaps your superior intellect to tell us all here how you get from a € 121 to $199. Make it simple now as I am sure we would all like to admire your maths skills.

[chk071]

Woodsdennis, you are an idiot, please stop to adress me. You have no idea what my point of view is on this thing. You just scream "SCANDAL!!!", without having any idea how this is processed at all, just in it for the drama.

If anyone from a country which doesn't charge VAT ever ordered at the Tone2 shop, he could shed some light on it. IMO, it is not possible to charge VAT for buyers from country which doesn't have VAT, simply because the VAT has to be conducted in the country the buyer is from, and if that country doesn't charge VAT, there's nothing to conduct.

[pdxindy]

I have no idea.

I think it highly unlikely that the website advertised price is suddenly going to drop on checkout... which you are suggesting might be happening and so he should not jump to conclusions.

Me, if Tone2 wants to charge different prices for different countries, that is their choice. I live in the U.S. and there are instances where that is to my advantage and instances where it is a disadvantage. In this case, it is a disadvantage. Looks like U.S. purchasers are subsidizing Tone2 to make up what they are losing in VAT in the EU.

I'm looking forward to trying the Icarus demo.

[wagtunes]

Woodsdennis, you are an idiot, please stop to adress me. You have no idea what my point of view is on this thing. You just scream "SCANDAL!!!", without having any idea how this is processed at all, just in it for the drama.

If anyone from a country which doesn't charge VAT ever ordered at the Tone2 shop, he could shed some light on it. IMO, it is not possible to charge VAT for buyers from country which doesn't have VAT, simply because the VAT has to be conducted in the country the buyer is from, and if that country doesn't charge VAT, there's nothing to conduct.

Well, I thought I made it perfectly clear what's going on.

I have two Tone 2 synths that I have purchased that other people paied 146 euro for that I paid $199 and $189 (I got $10 off for a sale) for.

Would you like me to post my invoices? I have them saved.

I'm sorry, but this is not fair. Why should I pay so much more money than everybody else for their synths just because I live in the US?

[chk071]

But how would they charge you VAT, if there is no VAT in your country? What i also find weird is that you get a blanket amount of 149 €, or in the US, $199, including VAT. Usually, you get displayed a net amount, and VAT is being added to it, when you checkout. Anyway, i can't answer this. Tone2 could, or Digital River.

[wagtunes]

But how would they charge you VAT, if there is no VAT in your country? What i also find weird is that you get a blanket amount of 149 €, or in the US, $199, including VAT. Usually, you get displayed a net amount, and VAT is being added to it, when you checkout. Anyway, i can't answer this. Tone2 could, or Digital River.

I do not know their reasons or what is actually happening. I can only sho you that my US invoice reads $199 and that's what I had to pay. There is no mention of VAT on it. Just a flat fee.

My guess is that they figure US folks are rich and can afford to pay a premium for their software. Nothing else makes any sense.


Anyway, it doesn't matter. I will never buy another Tone 2 synth until they have a fair pricing policy.

[recursive one]

If anyone from a country which doesn't charge VAT ever ordered at the Tone2 shop, he could shed some light on it. IMO, it is not possible to charge VAT for buyers from country which doesn't have VAT, simply because the VAT has to be conducted in the country the buyer is from, and if that country doesn't charge VAT, there's nothing to conduct.

As I've already reported here, Icarus is about 185 USD for me, as the preorder link shows (I'm living outside of EU and USA). No idea where this figure comes from.

[chk071]

If anyone from a country which doesn't charge VAT ever ordered at the Tone2 shop, he could shed some light on it. IMO, it is not possible to charge VAT for buyers from country which doesn't have VAT, simply because the VAT has to be conducted in the country the buyer is from, and if that country doesn't charge VAT, there's nothing to conduct.

As I've already reported here, Icarus is about 185 USD for me, as the preorder link shows (I'm living outside of EU and USA). No idea where this figure comes from.

And it doesn't show added VAT on your checkout?

[recursive one]

If anyone from a country which doesn't charge VAT ever ordered at the Tone2 shop, he could shed some light on it. IMO, it is not possible to charge VAT for buyers from country which doesn't have VAT, simply because the VAT has to be conducted in the country the buyer is from, and if that country doesn't charge VAT, there's nothing to conduct.

As I've already reported here, Icarus is about 185 USD for me, as the preorder link shows (I'm living outside of EU and USA). No idea where this figure comes from.

And it doesn't show added VAT on your checkout?

Should it show VAT just by clicking the preorder link?I didn't buy Icarus yet (may be will do) but when I bought Saurus there was no VAT iirc. I remember that the price I've actually paid for it corresponded neither to USD nor to EUR asking price.

I don't remember any other vendor charging me VAT ever.

[wagtunes]

If anyone from a country which doesn't charge VAT ever ordered at the Tone2 shop, he could shed some light on it. IMO, it is not possible to charge VAT for buyers from country which doesn't have VAT, simply because the VAT has to be conducted in the country the buyer is from, and if that country doesn't charge VAT, there's nothing to conduct.

As I've already reported here, Icarus is about 185 USD for me, as the preorder link shows (I'm living outside of EU and USA). No idea where this figure comes from.

And it doesn't show added VAT on your checkout?

I looked at my own digital river invoice from PayPal.

This is all you get.

Description Unit price Qty Amount
Heckmann Audio GmbH Order no. 456262385
$199.00 USD 1 $199.00 USD
Subtotal $199.00 USD
Total $199.00 USD
Payment $199.00 USD
Payment sent to e5paypalUSDGmbhCS@digitalriver.com

There are no lines for VAT or anything else. You get a subtotal, total and what you paid.

THAT'S IT!!!!!!!!

[chk071]

It should add VAT on checkout on the Digital River site (ShareIt). I can see here that there's VAT added to the total amount, before i proceed to actually buying it, and doing the payment.

[pdxindy]

It should add VAT on checkout on the Digital River site (ShareIt). I can see here that there's VAT added to the total amount, before i proceed to actually buying it, and doing the payment.

what prices do you see? synth cost + vat amount...

[pdxindy]

My guess is that they figure US folks are rich and can afford to pay a premium for their software. Nothing else makes any sense.

Looks like U.S. folks are subsidizing Tone2 in this case...