Hive flow phase mode question

[Maykie]

Try this with Hive:

1. Start with INIT preset
2. Use one oscillator - set it to saw x16 with flow phase mode. It should sound like retrigger (reset mode) with no detune.
3. Now tweak detune knob a little bit and play some notes, then move it back to 0 value. Now the phase of each voice in oscillator should be changed and it will stay the same becouse of the flow mode.

This trick gives random results but in most cases you will end up this cool, sharp, razorish lead sound.

And now the question:
After trying to save this preset and reloading it after - the phase of oscilators will reset and you will get retriggered sound again.
How to avoid that? Is there any other way to get this sound ?


sorry for bad english

[mcnoone]

Try this with Hive:

1. Start with INIT preset
2. Use one oscillator - set it to saw x16 with flow phase mode. It should sound like retrigger (reset mode) with no detune.
3. Now tweak detune knob a little bit and play some notes, then move it back to 0 value. Now the phase of each voice in oscillator should be changed and it will stay the same becouse of the flow mode.

This trick gives random results but in most cases you will end up this cool, sharp, razorish lead sound.

And now the question:
After trying to save this preset and reloading it after - the phase of oscilators will reset and you will get retriggered sound again.
How to avoid that? Is there any other way to get this sound ?


sorry for bad english

I noticed this a long time ago, by accident. Sometimes the detune from zero, then tweaked, and then placed back at zero gets unpredictable results. It simply won't reset back to how the detune influenced the sound when it was originally in the 0-zero position.
I haven't checked that again since some updates, but will now.

[Viktor [TUC]]

Hey guys,
this is not a bug, it's only logical because the phase position (or the offset that you managed to get), in your example, is not defined in the preset.

If you want a specific phase position for an oscillator, you need to define it so that it is saved in the preset. You can do that via the ModMatrix. Set "Source" to Constant, then right-click on the target slot and select e.g. oscillator 1 phase. Now the amount knob sets the phase position of the oscillator.

Viktor

[mcnoone]

Hey guys,
this is not a bug, it's only logical because the phase position (or the offset that you managed to get), in your example, is not defined in the preset.

If you want a specific phase position for an oscillator, you need to define it so that it is saved in the preset. You can do that via the ModMatrix. Set "Source" to Constant, then right-click on the target slot and select e.g. oscillator 1 phase. Now the amount knob sets the phase position of the oscillator.

Viktor

Thanks for that.
I get it now.

[Viktor [TUC]]

Ah, it was brought to my attention that the question was about a single stacked oscillator, not several unstacked oscillators.
So, well, my solution might not be super applicable. Sorry
Will have another think about that.

[Viktor [TUC]]

Howard suggested trying to get a phase position definition in a stacked oscillator by using a short envelope on the detune. (that's like a quick simulation of you turning the detune knob and then back to the zero position.)
By adjusting amount and envelope times, you might find this phase "sweet spot" that you had when playing around with it before.

[Maykie]

Thanks for replies

I think the only solution is loading multiple instances of Hive with oscilators set to 1 voice and then set the phase of each voice manualy via mod matrix.

Its time consuming but can be saved easily in Bitwig thanks to Instrument Layer container.

Example of a sound that I made this way:

http://www61.zippyshare.com/v/zwPsrejO/file.html