Can I use Komplete just with Ableton Lite or do I need Standard?

[Nuxinho]

Hello.
I ve been using for a few days now ableton trial version and i've decided to stick with that daw. Since i'll be need audio interface in the future, I was thinking to buy focusrite scarlett 2i2 wich comes with Ableton Lite. And then after some time i'll be need some sounds. I was thinking to buy Komplete. So my question is, can I use Komplete just with Lite or do I need first to have Standard?

[DJ Warmonger]

Surely it will work. But

8 Audio and MIDI tracks
8 Scenes

You won't be able to make any actual music with Live Lite It's effectively a demo.

[ganym3d]

You won't be able to make any actual music with Live Lite It's effectively a demo.

I think this depends on the music you are planning to make.

[RichieWitch]

There are no plugin limitations in Ableton Live Lite, so yes, Komplete will work just fine.

The previous comments have more to do with the maximum number of tracks that you can create with Live Lite. Standard edition removes this limitation. But this really has no bearing on whether Komplete will work.

[zenophilix]

Surely it will work. But

8 Audio and MIDI tracks
8 Scenes

You won't be able to make any actual music with Live Lite It's effectively a demo.

These post are ridiculous. It's possible to make a song with 8 tracks. The first songs I tried to make were recorded on an old 4-track.

[Zexila]

Why not look at Bitwig or something else (you can even get Bitwig 8 track for price of an magazine than upgrade with discount to full from it, around 200 bucks), Live is really pricey and it makes sense only if you really really like it for that buck.

[DJ Warmonger]

Surely it will work. But

8 Audio and MIDI tracks
8 Scenes

You won't be able to make any actual music with Live Lite It's effectively a demo.

These post are ridiculous. It's possible to make a song with 8 tracks. The first songs I tried to make were recorded on an old 4-track.

Times have changed. Guy wants to buy Komplete, which includes 36 instruments. He won't even be able to try them out unless he starts 5 different projects

I suggest you to change your priorities - bigger setup (both DAW and hardware) and less instruments.

[zenophilix]

Surely it will work. But

8 Audio and MIDI tracks
8 Scenes

You won't be able to make any actual music with Live Lite It's effectively a demo.

These post are ridiculous. It's possible to make a song with 8 tracks. The first songs I tried to make were recorded on an old 4-track.

Times have changed. Guy wants to buy Komplete, which includes 36 instruments. He won't even be able to try them out unless he starts 5 different projects

I suggest you to change your priorities - bigger setup (both DAW and hardware) and less instruments.

I somehow doubt he wants to load every single one up at the same time.

[thecontrolcentre]

Times have changed. Guy wants to buy Komplete, which includes 36 instruments. He won't even be able to try them out unless he starts 5 different projects

Who loads 36 instruments at once?

[sin night]

Even though you can make a song with just 8 audio and midi tracks, it is an important limitation.

Ableton Live Lite with Komplete looks like an unbalanced setup to me, because it's likely you'll frequently face the limitation on the maximum number of tracks avaible. While Komplete will work, you probably won't get the best out of it (or you won't enjoy it as much as you would without that limitation on track count).



During my first few years (that's more than ten years ago!) I used Cubasis VST, which had limitations on track count and the number of vst instruments avaible. I still managed to work with that and some freeware plugins, but those limitations were huge, even when I had Cubasis VST 5 which featured 8 vst instruments slots...
Based on my experience, if there's some money to be spent, a manageable track count would probably be my biggest priority. That's a limitation I really don't want to experience (even if my projects often have a rather small number of tracks).


So, first of all I would look for a daw with an hight track count (I'm not saying it needs to be unlimited, but they must be enough so you could work without having to often think about that limitation). I'd start looking for commercial plugins only after that.
Komplete could be a good choice, especially if you're starting out (because it's likely you don't already own tools overlapping with that suite). Or you can buy plugins individually from various manufacturers and have a mixed setup, that's completely up to you.

[.jon]

Surely it will work. But

8 Audio and MIDI tracks
8 Scenes

You won't be able to make any actual music with Live Lite It's effectively a demo.

Do you mean actual music like this?

https://djwarmonger.wordpress.com/2016/ ... esistance/

Because this, like pretty much all similar music, easily fits into the 8 tracks of Live Lite, which I realised just yesterday. A drum rack can have 128 Simpler lanes, each with it's own FX and also sends inside the rack. That's just one track used covering all drums (128 drum sounds is probably enough for most ), then you'll probably use one or two for bassline(s), and you're left with 5 or 6 tracks to provide melodies and stuff like sound FX. You can layer synths inside tracks, bounce to combine tracks and use Simplers for any incidental sounds you want to process independently.

Only 8 scenes? Just how many scenes does a typical song have? Even if ignoring the fact that your arrangement is not locked to the session view clips, did you consider how many possibilities 8 different clips on 8 tracks offers? Right, a that's a lot more than 99,9% of most music, and way way more than any electronic music. The melodies, bassline and rhythm patterns in your example song certainly didn't go through 8 variations each

It might be that I'll run into a track count limitation issue I can't solve creatively, but for now it looks like Lite will be perfectly fine. I hope I remember to post some finished stuff in this thread!

[thecontrolcentre]

Why not look at Bitwig or something else (you can even get Bitwig 8 track

OP seems ok with Live Lite which has 8 tracks. Its free with the interface he's considering. It'll work fine with Komplete if that's what he wants. No need to switch horses.

[DJ Warmonger]

Surely it will work. But

8 Audio and MIDI tracks
8 Scenes

You won't be able to make any actual music with Live Lite It's effectively a demo.

Do you mean actual music like this?

https://djwarmonger.wordpress.com/2016/ ... esistance/

Because this, like pretty much all similar music, easily fits into the 8 tracks of Live Lite, which I realised just yesterday.

This particularly simple tune totals 15 tracks in 7 groups plus 9 return tracks and 46 clips total. That is, after removing additional tracks which I was experimenting with. Many additional tracks were used just to record audio clips before putting them into sampler.
It's not about "theoretical possibility", it's the workflow which allows you to generate as many tracks and clips as you please.

A drum rack can have 128 Simpler lanes, each with it's own FX and also sends inside the rack. That's just one track used covering all drums (128 drum sounds is probably enough for most )

Sure, you can still make tunes today with 4-track recorder, or hunt deer in the woods. But most people find that inconvenient and not time-effective.

It might be that I'll run into a track count limitation issue I can't solve creatively, but for now it looks like Lite will be perfectly fine. I hope I remember to post some finished stuff in this thread!

Solving limitations makes sense if you are paid for it, not if it's something you already paid for. In particular I wouldn't pay for stuff which makes life harder for me.

[.jon]

This particularly simple tune totals 15 tracks in 7 groups plus 9 return tracks and 46 clips total. That is, after removing additional tracks which I was experimenting with. Many additional tracks were used just to record audio clips before putting them into sampler.
It's not about "theoretical possibility", it's the workflow which allows you to generate as many tracks and clips as you please.

How many of those tracks are drums? Also, Lite can do group tracks in addition the 8 tracks. I've never used more than 2 return tracks even without limits in my old DAWs, most of the time just one- sends are a relic from the days when you only had for example a single hardware reverb unit, useful for some things that you want to share with the whole track, but most of the time inserts and busses with parallel FX do the job better.

Sure, you can still make tunes today with 4-track recorder, or hunt deer in the woods. But most people find that inconvenient and not time-effective.

I explained how one drum track = 128 tracks, how is that hunting deer in the woods

It might be that I'll run into a track count limitation issue I can't solve creatively, but for now it looks like Lite will be perfectly fine. I hope I remember to post some finished stuff in this thread!

Solving limitations makes sense if you are paid for it, not if it's something you already paid for. In particular I wouldn't pay for stuff which makes life harder for me.

It's a free DAW, bundled with controllers etc.

[DJ Warmonger]

I explained how one drum track = 128 tracks

I want to see you edit or play live 128-track drum rack Yes, a bunch of drums were played live.

To make things clear - the question is not how to pack already finished tune into 8 tracks, but how to make finished tune from scratch.

I know a number of sussessful music producers who use dozens of tracks, if not more. Just last week I watched a guy mixing vocal on on 10-15 tracks alone.

I've never used more than 2 return tracks

Well, I do. To make mixdown simpler AND still use send FX at the same time. Many people, including myself, complained there are only 12 return max and no group-groups.