KVR Audio

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:24 pm

mhog wrote:
wagtunes wrote:Well, I was actually going to bite the bullet and get this but when I went to the shop and saw the ridiculous price difference between euro (149) and US dollars (199) I just couldn't do it. Why they insist on royally screwing over US customers with their moronic pricing policy is beyond me but I don't care how good this synth is, I'm not spending $199 on it.

Tone 2 can go F themselves.
I thought it was 149€ + VAT (178 €) = 199$

I don't live in Europe. I shouldn't be charged VAT. The price is 149 Euro. If you do the dollar conversion it comes out to $166.21. THAT'S what I should pay and not a penny more.

And no, to the above poster. I can't pay in Euro from where I am. My PayPal tries to charge me $199.

Like I said, Tone 2 can go F themselves.

Mac of BIOnighT · Post by **Mac of BIOnighT** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:32 pm

Why don't you write them and explain the situation? It would be useful to all.

cake builder · Post by **cake builder** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:40 pm

wagtunes wrote:
mhog wrote:
wagtunes wrote: I don't live in Europe. I shouldn't be charged VAT. The price is 149 Euro. If you do the dollar conversion it comes out to $166.21. THAT'S what I should pay and not a penny more.

And no, to the above poster. I can't pay in Euro from where I am. My PayPal tries to charge me $199.

Like I said, Tone 2 can go F themselves.

I just purchased it. When I checked out, I chose display price in Euro. Checked out with Paypal and got an email saying transaction complete, after conversion the cost was $170.51. I'm in the Eastern US.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:41 pm

Mac of BIOnighT wrote:Why don't you write them and explain the situation? It would be useful to all.

Yeah, like they're gonna change their pricing policy because I write to them. LMAO.

That's like writing to the Fed and asking them why my taxes are so high and if they can possibly lower them for me. LMAO.

Thanks. I've got better things to do with my time.

fisherKing · Post by **fisherKing** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:46 pm

how is wagtunes still on kvr? he picks fights with everyone, never gets past his own (closed) point of view. people are giving you concrete suggestions wagtunes... yet you continue to rant. why not take a deep breath, and see if you can make allies here, learn something, and attempt a more mature, and less combative, approach to the forum?

if you have better things to do with your time, how is it you manage to spend so much time here arguing with everyone?

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:11 pm

fisherKing wrote:how is wagtunes still on kvr? he picks fights with everyone, never gets past his own (closed) point of view. people are giving you concrete suggestions wagtunes... yet you continue to rant. why not take a deep breath, and see if you can make allies here, learn something, and attempt a more mature, and less combative, approach to the forum?

if you have better things to do with your time, how is it you manage to spend so much time here arguing with everyone?

Because suggesting that emailing Tone 2 is suddenly going to change their policy decisions on their pricing is absurd. Give me a suggestion that makes sense. Unfortunately, there are none. It is what it is. This is what Tone 2 decides to charge US customers. And until they decide to change that policy, there is nothing to do.

cake builder · Post by **cake builder** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:21 pm

Payment €149.00 EUR
Payment sent to *******************@digitalriver.com
From amount $170.51 USD
To amount €149.00 EUR
Exchange rate: 1 USD = 0.873898 EUR

I assume the odd $4.00 was a charge to exchange currency, but it beats the extra $34 for paying in USD.

I agree it is stupid that they charge so much more to US customers, but the workaround appears to have done fine for me in this case.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:24 pm

cake builder wrote:
Payment €149.00 EUR
Payment sent to *******************@digitalriver.com
From amount $170.51 USD
To amount €149.00 EUR
Exchange rate: 1 USD = 0.873898 EUR
I assume the odd $4.00 was a charge to exchange currency, but it beats the extra $34 for paying in USD.

I agree it is stupid that they charge so much more to US customers, but the workaround appears to have done fine for me in this case.

Well, the workaround doesn't work for me. My PayPal, for whatever reason, insists on charging me $199.

When Tone 2 stops being a rip off company on prices, I'll buy their products again. I bought Electra 2 and Rayblaster a while back because they were on "sale" but I still got ripped off compared to the Euro price. So never again.

cake builder · Post by **cake builder** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:31 pm

wagtunes wrote:Well, the workaround doesn't work for me. My PayPal, for whatever reason, insists on charging me $199.

I'm sorry to hear that. I wouldn't imagine I'm some special snowflake that the process would be any different, but who knows.

Back on topic though, does anyone know how to change the voice sample in a vocoder patch without it creating a fresh patch? I watched Tone2's "tutorial" video about the vocoder section, but it didn't really explain much.

I was also hoping that you could vocode a sample with more complex waveforms. Does the vocoding function only allow for simple waves?

fluffy_little_something · Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:35 pm

What are you whining about? At the end of the day you pay pretty much the same as Europeans, after taking VAT and currencies into account.

Astralp · Post by **Astralp** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:39 pm

Does anyone know anything more about this?

"This synthesizer has been designed in a way that it can be expanded easily. The open structure allows you, us and 3rd party developers to extend it with our own content."

It sounds as though there could be an SDK available to add functionality which would be very interesting.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:53 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:What are you whining about? At the end of the day you pay pretty much the same as Europeans, after taking VAT and currencies into account.

No, it's not even close. It's at least a $34 difference.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:57 pm

Basically, people in the US are paying a VAT straight to Tone2

ATN69 · Post by **ATN69** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:59 pm

wagtunes wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:What are you whining about? At the end of the day you pay pretty much the same as Europeans, after taking VAT and currencies into account.
No, it's not even close. It's at least a $34 difference.

It's okay. There is no law saying that everyone must buy this plug. I am also pretty sure that Tone 2 will survive anyway.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:02 pm

wagtunes wrote:
fisherKing wrote:how is wagtunes still on kvr? he picks fights with everyone, never gets past his own (closed) point of view. people are giving you concrete suggestions wagtunes... yet you continue to rant. why not take a deep breath, and see if you can make allies here, learn something, and attempt a more mature, and less combative, approach to the forum?

if you have better things to do with your time, how is it you manage to spend so much time here arguing with everyone?
Because suggesting that emailing Tone 2 is suddenly going to change their policy decisions on their pricing is absurd. Give me a suggestion that makes sense. Unfortunately, there are none. It is what it is. This is what Tone 2 decides to charge US customers. And until they decide to change that policy, there is nothing to do.

I've written to companies about similar things before and was listened to and a deal given. So, no, it is not absurd... It is worth a try and takes less time that the post you made calling the suggestion absurd... but I think you are more interested in having something to complain about rather than a solution.

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