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nevernamed · Post by **nevernamed** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:49 pm

Any chance of u-he doing a FM synth along the lines of FM8 (multiple waveforms etc)?

3ee · Post by **3ee** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:57 pm

I have the feeling you won't like people pointing you to Bazille

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:44 pm

Between Zebra and Bazille, FM is pretty well covered

Shabdahbriah · Post by **Shabdahbriah** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:02 pm

Points towards Bazille...

nevernamed · Post by **nevernamed** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 5:11 pm

Well that's not really a fair comment. Those synths are so much more than just FM. It's not an outlandish question really. There is a world of synthesis in FM that's it's own thing. To point to a modular architecture that is massive an goes well beyond the scope of just FM is more than a little cheeky. I actually like what I've heard from FM8 I only wish the sound overall had more body. It's not a crazy idea either. They've released Hive recently which is a move towards more focused synthesis. I like the less is more paradigm there and having an FM focused synth wouldn't be that much different from the Hive paradigm surely?

bmrzycki · Post by **bmrzycki** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 5:31 pm

I'd be surprised if u-he targeted an FM8-like synth replacement. Between RePro and Zebra 3 (and updates to everything existing) they have their synth work cut out for them in the next 12-18 months.

It's always nice to be pleasantly surprised though. But I personally wouldn't hold out hopes for anything soon.

For what it's worth Zebra is a very capable FM synth. The OSCs (carriers) can be any wave and the FMOs (modulators) have 8 base wave shapes plus a shape (FM) knob. And you can add modules between the FMOs to further dynamically shape the waves like distortion, filters, etc. The OSC FX knobs can add a lot to the signal chain too.

While not 1:1 in its layout I think you'll find Zebra does well at most "classic" FM sounds once you invest the time to learn how it works.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 6:29 pm

nevernamed wrote:I actually like what I've heard from FM8 I only wish the sound overall had more body.

That is why I like using Zebra and Bazille...

Zebra is quite capable for FM sounds and has more body. Bazille is for me, the most interesting FM synth I have tried.

nevernamed · Post by **nevernamed** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 9:44 pm

I respect that. Nothing against either Zebra nor Bazille. Both are fantastic. The u-he synths have body like a proper hardware synth. I think there is a difference in synths designed from the ground up to be FM synths as oppose to FM being a feature. Difference in sound I mean. That said I do agree that there is a degree of overlap between Zebra and FM stuff I've heard from other FM synths. Zebra is massive though with tons of other functionality (VA, wavetables, physical modeling and on and on). Something focused on just one synthesis type would be appreciated. FM8 is kind of there like I said. I like the multiple waveforms and it's yamaha-like tone but it feels a little on the thin side sometimes and the gui could be a little larger.

nevernamed · Post by **nevernamed** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 9:45 pm

bmrzycki wrote:I'd be surprised if u-he targeted an FM8-like synth replacement. Between RePro and Zebra 3 (and updates to everything existing) they have their synth work cut out for them in the next 12-18 months.

It's always nice to be pleasantly surprised though. But I personally wouldn't hold out hopes for anything soon.

For what it's worth Zebra is a very capable FM synth. The OSCs (carriers) can be any wave and the FMOs (modulators) have 8 base wave shapes plus a shape (FM) knob. And you can add modules between the FMOs to further dynamically shape the waves like distortion, filters, etc. The OSC FX knobs can add a lot to the signal chain too.

While not 1:1 in its layout I think you'll find Zebra does well at most "classic" FM sounds once you invest the time to learn how it works.

I appreciate that. You're in Austin?

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 10:42 pm

nevernamed wrote:I respect that. Nothing against either Zebra nor Bazille. Both are fantastic. The u-he synths have body like a proper hardware synth. I think there is a difference in synths designed from the ground up to be FM synths as oppose to FM being a feature. Difference in sound I mean. That said I do agree that there is a degree of overlap between Zebra and FM stuff I've heard from other FM synths. Zebra is massive though with tons of other functionality (VA, wavetables, physical modeling and on and on). Something focused on just one synthesis type would be appreciated. FM8 is kind of there like I said. I like the multiple waveforms and it's yamaha-like tone but it feels a little on the thin side sometimes and the gui could be a little larger.

Personally, I think there are enough of the DX style FM synths available today. Not sure what truly new u-he could bring to the table in that area. Bazille is u-he's FM synth that explores new ground. It's an FM synth... just not the usual DX style.

But, hey, doesn't hurt to ask

bmrzycki · Post by **bmrzycki** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 10:58 pm

nevernamed wrote:I appreciate that. You're in Austin?

Yep.

nevernamed · Post by **nevernamed** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 11:29 pm

pdxindy wrote:
nevernamed wrote:I respect that. Nothing against either Zebra nor Bazille. Both are fantastic. The u-he synths have body like a proper hardware synth. I think there is a difference in synths designed from the ground up to be FM synths as oppose to FM being a feature. Difference in sound I mean. That said I do agree that there is a degree of overlap between Zebra and FM stuff I've heard from other FM synths. Zebra is massive though with tons of other functionality (VA, wavetables, physical modeling and on and on). Something focused on just one synthesis type would be appreciated. FM8 is kind of there like I said. I like the multiple waveforms and it's yamaha-like tone but it feels a little on the thin side sometimes and the gui could be a little larger.
Personally, I think there are enough of the DX style FM synths available today. Not sure what truly new u-he could bring to the table in that area. Bazille is u-he's FM synth that explores new ground. It's an FM synth... just not the usual DX style.

But, hey, doesn't hurt to ask

I think what U-he could contribute is top notch execution that leaves nothing to be desired. There are other DX style synths you're of course right but one could use more body as agreed and a slightly bigger gui, the others are true DX emulations without enhancements, and then some don't run on Pro Tools or Logic even. So, stability, top notch gui, sound with a lot of heft/body like a hardware synth are just some of the things that come to mind that u-he could improve upon. These are not small things as I'm sure you'll agree?

Howard · Post by **Howard** » Sat Aug 13, 2016 11:05 am

bmrzycki wrote:The OSCs (carriers) can be any wave and the FMOs (modulators)...

Other way round (OSCs can't be carriers).

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Sat Aug 13, 2016 11:45 am

What i really like about FM8 is freely drawable ambulobes. But not like in most synth you have ADSRs.
Whould be nice if Uhe will implement that in their products where you can use it on awrything in any amount.

Cyoon · Post by **Cyoon** » Sat Aug 13, 2016 1:16 pm

ambulobes

hm, great name, should be invented yes.

there are MSEGS in Zebra you might know, wich are fairly drawable.

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