Small rant in support of T's GUI

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Hi all,

I know I'm speaking to a lot of the converted, although some of you are using T in spite of the GUI rather than because of it. However, I see the following comment:

"The GUI in Tracktion looks like a toy."

so much that I thought I'd address it a bit... and I didn't really feel like standing up in the middle of the hosts forum (or any other forum) to do so, so I'll just post'er here and maybe some people will agree and maybe some won't. ;)

I don't understand what it is that makes people think it looks like a "toy". If anything, it is LESS "toy-like" than the UI of any of the other major players. I believe what they mean to say is that they don't like the flatness and simplicity of it... which is fair enough (I guess... :?), but is certainly not "toy"-like. Are they just echoing what they've heard other people say in other threads? Are they just not creative enough to find their own way of expressing more concisely what it IS about the UI that they don't like? I don't know, but let me elaborate on my argument:

A toy is characteristically very colourful, using a healthy dose of primary colours; more specifically, they use TINTs of primary colours (the base colours modified with varying amounts of white/brightness). On the other hand, Tracktion does NOT use primary colours very often, and when it does, they are quite obviously SHADES of a colour rather than tints(the base colour darkened). The end result is that the display is very easy on the eyes. Not only do I have to respect this from a total design perspective (ie. the developer has considered ALL aspects of the program and not just "does it work"), but more specifically it seems clear that the Tracktion colour scheme is the antithesis of "toy" design standards.

A toy often uses bright lights and noise to grab a curious child's attention. For example, kids just LOVE toy fire-trucks and police-cars (again, more primary colours...). While sequencers like Cubase and others will often use bright glowing buttons and widgets to grab a user's attention (well, more accurately, to show off their designer's abilities), the only glowy bits of Tracktion are in place for practical reasons (finding the markers and moving filters) only, as far as I can tell. The rest of the features are easy to find because of good layout.

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Let me extend the argument a little bit further-- let's say that our sequencers are little "work-rooms" (because in a way, they are). What's really impressive for many people (especially people who are unfamiliar with the technology) in a studio? Lots of blinking lights and knobs and things. Steinberg and Logic aren't stupid. They are very aware of how easily impressed we (myself included!!) are with real hardware studios, and are trying to invoke that same feeling in their users so that the user feels that their virtual "work room" resembles a real hardware studio with all its glowy LEDs and knobs and things.

Tracktion does not resemble any of these machines. Does that mean it's a toy? Surely not... because as most of us will admit to, all those hardware compressors, synths, and mixers ARE just toys for big boys and girls. So by emulating them, it's Steinberg and the rest that are actually more toy-like.

To take it one step further-- those LEDs and things may be fine in a studio, but do you want them cluttering up your living room? No, because they're ultimately very distracting. Tracktion is more like being in your living room, where simple design is king and shiny aluminum and LEDs would CERTAINLY make visitors say, "What's with all the toys in here??" The fact that Tracktion happens to have used a good interior designer with a sense of elegance and colour makes it more MATURE in appearance, rather than more "toylike".

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Just to make sure this post is entirely clear-- I am not saying that all people should now believe that Tracktion's style is superior, though I'll make no quibbles that *I* certainly think it is. Rather, I hope people will reconsider what they really mean to say, ask themselves if they're just blindly echoing an opinion they heard once somewhere, and make an attempt to explain more succinctly next time what it is that they don't like about ANY particular design principle, be it Tracktion or something else.

Ultimately, I guess it's the English teacher in me fearing for a world in which people are so lazy about communication that they don't know how to articulate their own opinions after personal efforts in critical thought.

Greg

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Hi Lunch Money

I read your post ten seconds after reading in another thread--for the umpteenth time--that the Tracktion interface is bad because everything is all on one page. But whenever i click on a button, about a third of that page changes into something completely new. There must be a dozen or more different panels on that page and there's always plenty of room to do everything. Tracktion does not look like a toy and it DOESN'T HAVE JUST ONE PAGE!!! :D

Tom

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I agree totally with you Lunch Money! Tracktions GUI dont distract me and let me focus on the important stuff.

Still I think there is room for improvment but there has been so many threads about that so I won't bore you again....... :?

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I recently bought Tracktion, and I was almost imediately sold. I had been testing out many different software packages to see where I wanted to spend my money. I own a license for N-track, but there were just some things about it that I didn't completely like and I wanted something that was cross platform. I thought about getting Cubase, but I couldn't really afford the version of it that I wanted. So, I download and install the demo of Tracktion, and I was able to figure something out in 1 hour that I never could get in years. 5 minutes later I had spent my $80, and I have been happy since. I wanted a program that felt as natural to me as Reason does. Tracktion fits that bill.

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I make up my own mind. I could not care less who thinks Im cool or not. That goes for what I use to make music. I know what workrs for me.

The "my sequencer is better than yours" debate reminds me of cars:

They all drive on the same roads and the drivers have to obey speed limits. Its all about what car would you like to be stuck in a traffic jam in

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A friend of mine (who is a design student) would like to buy Tracktion but doesn't because of the colorsheme... (not the flatness or simplicity - he just hates the colors)

and although I started to use tracktion because of the superb user interface i would love to be able to change some of the colors....

I'm not to fond of the green... but the purple is perfect...

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I saw a thing on the Discovery Channel that said the human eye can see green better than any other color. So maybe theres some science to it :D . I personally love it. Most other sequencers are shades of blue-ish gray trying to emulate cold metal. I'm glad its different. But what I DONT like is the lack of contrast when changing clip colors. There needs to me more bold colors for clips.
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You're all wrong, Tracktion looks like a toy. When I bought it two years ago Tracktion had sturdy square buttons. Then Jules changed them into those sissy rounded toylike thingies. I hate them!!!!!!!!
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i pretty much agree but see it in simpler terms (although the kernel of lunch moneys post contains this idea being an english teacher (ooh - subject in-fighting from the pedagogues !!! ) he obviously got overly verbose) ...

... tracktion (along with the other sequencer whos GUI i think is fantastic - live4) simply DOES NOT PRETEND TO BE ANYTHING OTHER THAN A PIECE OF SOFTWARE ...

... its not a hardware box so why need to look like one ???

(but i too hate all the green)

slainte :ud: rob

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Heheheh!

pHz-- I'm an English major first, I guess, and an English TEACHER second. ;) The latter should know that a concise argument is better than a wordy one, but the former gets carried away. What are your teachable subjects?

:D

After all the complaints, I'm sure T2 will have user-definable colour schemes, though I remember Jules saying once upon a time that actual "skinning" (ie changing the buttons, etc) won't happen.

AD80-- couldn't agree with you more about the clip colours, though.

Greg

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The flat GUI uses less cpu and the colors are easy on the eyes.

Every other host I have used gives me eye strain very quikly.
I can use Tracktion all day without any trouble.

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Indeed, there may be some science to it. Lighter shades of green have long been known to have a psychologically calming effect. This is why TV studios queue up the guests in "the green room" prior to coming on stage. Also why many hospital rooms and waiting areas are light green, as well as doctors offices, customer areas, conference rooms, etc.

I noticed that when I selected the "tracktion skin" for eXT I felt a sense of relaxation. Especially right after I exhaled. :drunk: :party:

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Well, i've been trying Tracktion for the last 4 days and I must admit it's great and fast to get things done.
The reason why it's taken me so long is the gui. I won't use the word toy cause it seems like it's easily misunderstood.
Let's call it cheap or discount like the packaging on Tesco's value range.
Imo Cubase SX, especially 1, is Cinderella and Tracktion is the ugly stepmother.

There was a similar discussion a while ago about Concrete FX' plugins. I think they look cheap and discount as well, but different folks different strokes. A plugin I think looks awesome is Charlie. Stunning. But some will say it's too "glamourised" or what ever. Man, I wouldn't like to see your wifes/girlfriends :roll:

Tracktion's interface is absolutely great and very intuitive but it looks like the gui was done in one day by a non-graphic designer, which probably is the case. No offense Jules :)

I mean, how can one argue what beauty is. I think Rosanne Barr is rather ugly and Halle Barry beautyfull, but I'm sure someone can argue the other way around. Surely after having been married to an ugly woman for 10 years, the look is secondary, but it wouldn't hurt if she was better looking would it :D

It's the same thing about art. You spill a bucket of paint by a mistake on your picture and suddenly people start admiring your "masterpiece".

At the end of the day; Cubase's gui increases my creativity more than Tracktions does. But Tracktion has a better workflow.

I certainly hope Tracktion 2 is more skinable. Why shouldn't you have your cake and eat it?

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And I'm not just talking the green shades. It's fonts, shades, light, 3D look, having things more "enclosed" like e.g. the trackname is just hanging on the green background etc.

:rant over:

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Armadillo wrote: A plugin I think looks awesome is Charlie. Stunning. But some will say it's too "glamourised" or what ever. Man, I wouldn't like to see your wifes/girlfriends :roll:
Uh ... what's the connection? You want to shag your music software?
"my gosh it's a friggin hardware"

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Function over form a hundred times over. Tracktion looks a lot like ableton to me. and ableton doesn't look like a toy. either way this is the look of vector graphics. it's also much less CPU intensive. and let's face it, that's always an issue.

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