Tone2 will release Icarus - 3D WaveTable Synthesizer

[pdxindy]

Even investing loads of time, and getting 'close' with one static sound... you would twist a knob and it would go to shit.

Try even just the free public alpha of RePro. It is one big sweet spot and you can tweak it freely while playing, like an actual analog monosynth.

Saying Icarus can come close to that is like saying one static sample (recording) of a synth sounds like the synth. The comparison becomes meaningless when you actually play the thing like an instrument.

I don't think you understand this at all.

I'm not talking about sampling fully formed sounds out of the hardware synth.

I'm talking about using icarus the same way you'd use a hardware synth. Not sampling full sounds, but rather sampling the raw oscillator and using that as the source and processing it via the tools that Icarus provides.

I did this pretty much when I got Icarus, creating multi-waveform wavetables from my hardware synths raw oscillators and I was very surprised at just how good these sound going through Icarus's filters, especially the LP butter 24db.

and it's surprisingly quick to do this thanks to the included resynthesis tools - then they're available whenever they're needed.

I understood exactly what you meant... If you like the sounds you get, that is great... use them.

Icarus does not begin to emulate a MiniMoog, or the Pro One and is simply not capable of doing so... not anywhere close to the standard set by Monark, Diva, or the soon released RePro One.

That does not mean it is not a fun and excellent sounding synth in itself. It is not an insult to a synth that it cannot be everything.

[exmatproton]

30 seconds of what? using presets and the factory shipped wavetables?

Saw + filter + resonance. It is as simple as that. The core components aren't 'that' capable. But it isn't target to do so, so it really doesn't matter. There is a lot of stuff possible with Icarus that isn't possible with other (very good sounding) synths.

One could probably get close after investing loads of time and editing the samples, etc. But i'd rather use it for what it's made for. And use other synths, like Diva and Monark, for the "real" subtractive/"analog" stuff.

Even investing loads of time, and getting 'close' with one static sound... you would twist a knob and it would go to shit.

Try even just the free public alpha of RePro. It is one big sweet spot and you can tweak it freely while playing, like an actual analog monosynth.

Saying Icarus can come close to that is like saying one static sample (recording) of a synth sounds like the synth. The comparison becomes meaningless when you actually play the thing like an instrument.

Ow, but i am on your side here. I agree with you. I use RePro for months now, that's why i know the difference

However, i believe with (too much) effort, one could get close. But, as i stated before, why would you? There are far more capable synths out there which take way less effort, sound much better and were made for that particular sound.

[OneOfManyPauls]

Icarus does not begin to emulate a MiniMoog, or the Pro One and is simply not capable of doing so.

At least try it.

Here's a link to a file that contains 6 wavetables of 256 waveforms for each of the 6 Monark oscillator types:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/15mxwxef44lgb ... s.zip?dl=0

for best results, I'd set fade to zero, use the 2.8hz and faster free-running LFOs in the mod matrix to change the wavetable positions, turn eq off, and use the LP butter 24db filter.

However, i believe with (too much) effort, one could get close. But, as i stated before, why would you?

because there are new sounds to be had from this base, using the additional features of icarus - eg the dual filters, modulation options, morphing, unison modes, the wavetable editing options etc.

btw, I'm not saying that icarus should replace something like monark or diva if analog emulation is the goal, just that it can make a good fist of it

[exmatproton]

Icarus does not begin to emulate a MiniMoog, or the Pro One and is simply not capable of doing so.

At least try it.

Here's a link to a file that contains 6 wavetables of 256 waveforms for each of the 6 Monark oscillator types:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/15mxwxef44lgb ... s.zip?dl=0

for best results, I'd set fade to zero, use the 2.8hz and faster free-running LFOs in the mod matrix to change the wavetable positions, and use the LP butter 24db filter.

However, i believe with (too much) effort, one could get close. But, as i stated before, why would you?

because there are new sounds to be had from this base, using the additional features of icarus - eg the dual filters, modulation options, morphing, unison modes, the wavetable editing options etc.

Emulating "old synths" *because* Icarus has 'new' elements? Why invent the wheel again? For some proper minimoog-esque sounds, i have Monark. There is really no need to use Icarus for that. It is just inefficiënt. If you would like to, be my guest and good luck

[Mac of BIOnighT]

Why should a synth sound like another one?

[chk071]

Why should a synth sound like another one?

Exactly. I choose the synths whose sound i prefer, and buy those if i really like them. If all synths sound the same, i could just buy some random synth, and be happy ever after. Or use only freeware.

[Ingonator]

Emulating "old synths" *because* Icarus has 'new' elements? Why invent the wheel again? For some proper minimoog-esque sounds, i have Monark. There is really no need to use Icarus for that. It is just inefficiënt. If you would like to, be my guest and good luck

Actually in Icarus you could go beyond what is possible in the original synth when using those waveforms.
This could start with "small" advanced features like HyperStereo Unison and could go much further.
You could also layer digital wavetable wit hthe analog style ones etc.

Personally with a synth like Icarus i would not limit myself using only the feature set of the original synth from which the waveforms were sampled. If you use the Monark waveforms for pads you already go beyond what is possible in Monark or a real Minimoog. Also morphing between waveforms with a wavetable is not possible in both Monark and a Minimoog Model D (bot hgot only fixed waveforms that could be switched).

[OneOfManyPauls]

Why should a synth sound like another one?

because it's likely that you don't own every synth ever made?

having a synth (software or hardware) capable of recreating either a rare/expensive synth, or recreating multiple synths can be efficient.

[OneOfManyPauls]

btw, I didn't buy Icarus as an emulation synth - I bought it as I liked the overall sound, and the scope of what it could do looked useful.

I was just very impressed after buying by its ability to do the emulation side of things thanks to the 3 full wavetable oscillators, the resynthesis tools, and the quality of the filters.

[Ingonator]

Here is a download for an Icarus wavetable with the 6 Monark waveforms (Triangle, Sharktooth, Sawtooth, Square, Medium Pulse, Narrow Pulse):

Monark_6 waveforms_1.zip

Based on a hint by OneOfManyPauls i also created another Monark wavetable that uses 15 crossfaded waveforms between the 6 "pure" waveforms (with pure waveforms at waves 1, 17, 33, 49, 65 and 81 of the table).
For even smoother interpolation you could increase the Fade knob in teh Osc section.

Here is a download:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/532 ... ph%201.zip


As i alraedy mentioned i do not just use this and other wavetables based on other synths to only make sounds similar to the real synths but also to involve those wavetables with some of the advanced features in Icarus or combine multiple of such wavetables in a single patch (which in that way is impossible in the real synths).
I do not get why using wavetables from a certain synth should also mean using exactly the same features in Icarus.

[exmatproton]

Emulating "old synths" *because* Icarus has 'new' elements? Why invent the wheel again? For some proper minimoog-esque sounds, i have Monark. There is really no need to use Icarus for that. It is just inefficiënt. If you would like to, be my guest and good luck

Actually in Icarus you could go beyond what is possible in the original synth when using those waveforms.
This could start with "small" advanced features like HyperStereo Unison and could go much further.
You could also layer digital wavetable wit hthe analog style ones etc.

Personally with a synth like Icarus i would not limit myself using only the feature set of the original synth from which the waveforms were sampled. If you use the Monark waveforms for pads you already go beyond what is possible in Monark or a real Minimoog. Also morphing between waveforms with a wavetable is not possible in both Monark and a Minimoog Model D (bot hgot only fixed waveforms that could be switched).

Exactly. But that wasn't the discussion. I bought Icarus, because it is versatile. Not because it is a good emulation. Because it isn't. The sound just isn't on par with, let's say Monark (if we are talking emulating). But, *again*, it doesn't need to be. Icarus is just a nice synth on it's own, with loads of possibilities.

[chk071]

Here is a download for an Icarus wavetable with the 6 Monark waveforms (Triangle, Sharktooth, Sawtooth, Square, Medium Pulse, Narrow Pulse):

Monark_6 waveforms_1.zip

Based on a hint by OneOfManyPauls i also created another Monark wavetable that uses 15 crossfaded waveforms between the 6 "pure" waveforms (with pure waveforms at waves 1, 17, 33, 49, 65 and 81 of the table).
For even smoother interpolation you could increase the Fade knob in teh Osc section.

Here is a download:
<span class="skimlinks-unlinked">https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/532 ... .zip</span>


As i alraedy mentioned i do not just use this and other wavetables based on other synths to only make sounds similar to the real synths but also to involve those wavetables with some of the advanced features in Icarus or combine multiple of such wavetables in a single patch (which in that way is impossible in the real synths).

Do those waveforms make a huge difference? The only real thing i noticed about Monarks osc's is that the square wave sounded might fat. But i'm not sure if that's not a case of the sound engine, rather than the pure waveform.

[Cinebient]

Icarus can't maybe sound like Monark, Diva or whatever but it can do ton of things these synths can't do.
If you want sounds like Monark or Diva....buy them!
Icarus also can't sound like a real Cello.... must be a bad synth
C'mon let it go....
Love it or leave it!!

[Ingonator]

Exactly. But that wasn't the discussion. I bought Icarus, because it is versatile. Not because it is a good emulation. Because it isn't. The sound just isn't on par with, let's say Monark (if we are talking emulating). But, *again*, it doesn't need to be. Icarus is just a nice synth on it's own, with loads of possibilities.

You simply do not get it. Using such wavetables based on certain other synths (inclusing analog synths) offers new options besides what is alraedy possible and as i alraedy tried to point out nobody forces you to use those wavetzables exactly iwith the same feature set as in teh orignal synths.

For example in the same Icarus patch you could combine PWM based on an analog synth (like i got from Resntheiss of the PWM in my Bass Station II) with a purely digital wavetable or another anlog based wavetable from another synth. You coudl also combine waveforms from multiple synths in a single wavetable with additional crossfading added if you like.

[Ingonator]

Do those waveforms make a huge difference? The only real thing i noticed about Monarks osc's is that the square wave sounded might fat. But i'm not sure if that's not a case of the sound engine, rather than the pure waveform.

Certain waveforms maybe sound more similar while others don't . At the end it is not bad to have multiple options and the wavetables were posted here for free so either use them or not.
Also the morphing including crossfaded waveforms is not possible in the real synth and could lead to interesting results (cmpared to the pure original waveforms).