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Hi Peeps,

I'm currently trying out Adaptiverb, and enjoying it too... It fits very well into me current excursion into the world of Ambient.

I am struggling to get my head around something though, and have read through the manual and all seventeen pages of this topic, I am no better off to be honest.

I normally make a habit of wanting to know what goes on "under the hood" of the plugs that I use, but there is something about Adaptiverb that I need to understand.

I use Sonar and I have a project set up just for messing around with Adaptiverb. I have added an instance to a bus, rather that adding it to a track's effects racks. I just like to work that way.

When I go into this project, some time after having last opened it, and even after only just turning on my laptop, Adaptiverb is making a sound. I haven't hit play or anything.

The preset that was selected when I last saved the project was a drone pad.

If I select another drone preset I am still getting audio from Adaptiverb.

If I select a preset that has the FREEZE option off, Adaptiverb goes quiet. But if I select another preset with the FREEZE option on, I get audio again.

At this point, I haven't fed any audio source into Adaptiverb at all.

If I then turn off FREEZE for the current preset, audio stops, as expected, and if I turn FREEZE back on, still no audio, which, again, I sort of expected. But if I select another drone preset I get audio again.

I will play some more and see what happens... You never know, I may be able to find the FREEZE button for my brain...


cheers

andy
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as expected...

AVs sustain section constantly resynthsizes the input with freeze OFF. With ON, the resynthsized harmonics at time of freeze is the input to AVs further processing. Like a synthesizer ;)

That is (one of) the beauties of AV
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TabSel wrote:as expected...

AVs sustain section constantly resynthsizes the input with freeze OFF. With ON, the resynthsized harmonics at time of freeze is the input to AVs further processing. Like a synthesizer ;)

That is (one of) the beauties of AV
Apologies... Is that a reply to my post?

If so, as I have said, I am not sending any audio to the input of Adaptiverb...

cheers

andy
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But if you save a preset with Freeze engaged and then recall it, you will hear the frozen sound, it stores the buffer inside the preset - it's a feature, not a bug.
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Sampleconstruct wrote:But if you save a preset with Freeze engaged and then recall it, you will hear the frozen sound, it stores the buffer inside the preset - it's a feature, not a bug.
Hi Simon,

I am not saving presets as such, I rarely do with any of my synths and effects and rely on any settings being saved with each project.

I am also not suggesting that there is a bug here and I am simply trying to understand how things work.


I have just tried the following:-

Created a brand new blank project in Sonar.

Added a new empty audio track.

Added an instance of Adaptiverb to the FX bin of the new audio track.

In Adaptiverb I selected a drone pad.

I can hear a lovely ambient pad sound.

I can select any drone preset and I hear a sound.

Why is that?

I have no audio source in my project and, as I have said, I have not saved any presets from previous sessions.

I am just curious as to where this sound is coming from.


cheers

andy
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I was trying to explain that, all presets which were saved with "Freeze" engaged work like a "sample player", meaning as soon as they are selected they will start playing on their own without any audio input needed.
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it seems you don't understand how AV works...?

when you feed audio to AV, the sustain section AV analyzes the audio and resynthesizes it, i.e. it generates harmonics according to input, and resynthesizes them and processes the synthesized/generated audio further.
If you then hit FREEZE, the harmonics generator freezes, i.e. it stops analyzing the audio and plays back the harmonics it analyzed at the time you hit freeze. Imagine this like an additive synth engine which plays back multiple sine waves of different frequency, amplitude and phase = partials.
When a preset is saved with freeze engaged, the partials are saved with the preset. When you load that preset, the harmonics generator plays back the partials.

The drone presets of AV were saved with freeze engaged by zynaptic. When you load such a preset, the sustain section of AV plays back the partials stored in the preset.
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Sampleconstruct wrote:I was trying to explain that, all presets which were saved with "Freeze" engaged work like a "sample player", meaning as soon as they are selected they will start playing on their own without any audio input needed.
Okay Simon,

So, each drone preset comes preloaded, if you like, with a sample? Is that correct? That would make some sort of sense, when you look at some of the preset that have chord names.

If this is the case then I should not be using such an effect for the OSD challenge over at the AO forum.And, indeed, I have removed the track from the current challenge.
TabSel wrote:it seems you don't understand how AV works...?
That is precisely what I have been saying and is the reason for my posts here :)

I think I am beginning to understand... A little bit at least.

As soon as I have a break through you will hear of it here first :D

Thanks for all the replies so far, I appreciate your time :tu:

cheers

andy
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It's not a sample as in wav sample, it's a frozen buffer stored inside the preset.
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Sampleconstruct wrote:It's not a sample as in wav sample, it's a frozen buffer stored inside the preset.
Thanks again Simon... I'm getting there :)

I've just saved a preset that was based on a factory drone preset and even when I turn off FREEZE, Adaptiverb carries on playing.


Don't get me wrong guys. I am really enjoying the lush sounds I am getting and the supplied presets are amazing. I will be surprised if I have not purchased this thing within the next couple of days :D
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I just made this video, crossfading between two instances of Adaptiverb and flipping though the frozen drone presets I have made so far, so there is no audio input whatsoever and the plugin works like a synthesizer.

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So deep 'n rich...

Now the same, but MORPH2ing this time ;)

edit: did I notice some crackles? Gimme more! *g*
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Thanks for posting that Simon. That helps my understanding a lot more now :D
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So, how do I create a preset with my own "partials?" Is that possible?

I just tried saving a preset based on a factory drone preset.

First of all, with a factory drone preset selected, I turned off freeze.

I then started playback of an audio sample and then turned on freeze.

I liked the result, so I selected "Save As..." and saved my new preset.

At first, all seems to be okay, but if I select another preset and then go back to my user preset, it doesn't sound the same.

If I select "Default," all goes quiet, which is what I expect.

If I go back to my user preset, all remains quiet.

If I then select a factory drone preset, I get audio. And if I then go back to my user preset I get audio, but not the sound that I had when I saved it.


I'm about to give up. I really am trying to understand what I am doing here, but it's just not gelling at all.

I'm disappointed, more with myself than anything else.

sorry peeps :(
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Please so some manual reading, play audio into the plugin in follow mode, press hold to capture the sonic footprint of the incoming audio.
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