KVR Audio

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:26 pm

cryophonik wrote:How many Keyscape sales that will translate into is anybody's guess, but thats not really our concern, is it?

Not our concern? Huh?

This is a forum right, a place to discuss and offer opinions.

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:27 pm

cryophonik wrote:I think the KVR community forgets, or simply fails to realize, that there is a vast world full of musicians out there that are not home studio hobbyist producers, and that they often have much different needs. If I was still a gigging musician, this would be an instant purchase for me (possibly still will be, if a loyalty discount is offered). How many Keyscape sales that will translate into is anybody's guess, but thats not really our concern, is it?

i'd say pro pianist and keyboardist in the peculiar case...

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:32 pm

Big Eric wouldn't be where he was today without doing proper market research, so no doubt it will turn out a nice little earner for them.

But will not give them as much exposure as a unique product like Omnisphere 2

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:34 pm

Keyscape is definitely trying to appeal to live users, for obvious reasons - and I'd bet almost every single one will salivate at that video, sonically its terrific. Most live keyboardists currently go for the Nord as an all-in-one solution. It would be interesting to hear from some here, because I do wonder if Keyscape would still be a PITA to use live. There is no standalone version for one thing - this really would have been the product to break that mould for Spectrasonics imo. For another, you're reliant on often flaky laptop technology to be 100% rock solid reliable. And finally - Keyscape alone won't do all a Nord can do (esp its fantastic organ with drawbars section, something not at all in the Spectrasonics cannon - for now).

MillerSam · Post by **MillerSam** » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:36 pm

My news release
http://www.synthanatomy.com/2016/09/spe ... scape.html

"Wicked! - A new Keyboard Sample Library" ...

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:39 pm

noiseboyuk wrote:And finally - Keyscape alone won't do all a Nord can do (esp its fantastic organ with drawbars section, something not at all in the Spectrasonics cannon - for now).

When I first saw the tweet with name Keyscape, I figured it would include organs, too. I'm not a fan of organs, so it's not a big deal to me personally, but I assume that a fair share of the target market will be disappointed by the omission.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:43 pm

They may add stuff to it later, like organs.

Pi_314 · Post by **Pi_314** » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:45 pm

I have come to the conclusion that I will be dead before RMX II comes out. I can't be even remotely disappointed as the grim reaper is on my back.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:49 pm

Stylus RMX v1.0 was launched back in 2004 ?

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:54 pm

Numanoid wrote:They may add stuff to it later, like organs.

I strongly doubt it. Trilian is our nearest reference, they've never added any significant sample material - lots of patches, but not soundsources. To add organs would be a whole new ball-o-wax, a product pretty much as big in scope as this one - Keyscape 2, perhaps, but surely not as part of this.

If they really want to go for the live market, I reckon a few months work on a standalone host for Spectrasonics products wouldn't go amiss. The Live mode in Omni is obviously designed for this, but that's not available to those just with Keyscape.

beely · Post by **beely** » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:59 pm

Pi_314 wrote:I have come to the conclusion that I will be dead before RMX II comes out. I can't be even remotely disappointed as the grim reaper is on my back.

They're probably working on it.

Don't forget that Keyscape is essentially running on the Omnisphere engine which is already pretty mature, so this probably didn't take a huge software development effort - much of the the effort going on here would be in the instrument restoring, sampling sessions, mapping, and graphic design - so the software devs could still be working on other things while that's going on.

I expect the Specs' have been wanting to get here for a long time - having a stable, comprehensive and mature engine that they can now use to release whatever instruments and expansion packs they want.

The omission of organs is interesting - but as they've branded this "keyboards", not pianos (despite containing, in the main, pianos), they've left the door open to add organ stuff later on (either as an upgrade, or expansion pack) *or* do organs as a separate instrument. If I were to make a guess, I'd say plans are likely to add organs to Keyscape later as an expansion, and do guitars as the fifth instrument - the guitars would likely need some software development as playing styles are more demanding and complex here than a straight keyboard instrument.

It may be they haven't decided - if sales on Keyscape are weak, adding organs to it might make more sense, as stand-alone organ sales would also likely be weak, and together it makes the package more appealing vfm, but if sales are strong, they may decide a stand-alone organ instrument has merit and go that way...

bmrzycki · Post by **bmrzycki** » Fri Sep 02, 2016 3:03 pm

For clavs, harpsichords, and EPs I find most pure synthesis methods to these sounds are just fine for my ear. I have pianoteq for my piano sounds and I'm very happy with it. The only part of this set that has me mildly interested is the sampled pianos and their ability to act as satellite sounds in Omnisphere. But I'm unwilling to pay $400 to add piano samples to Omni.

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Fri Sep 02, 2016 3:06 pm

beely wrote:I'd say plans are likely to add organs to Keyscape later as an expansion, and do guitars as the fifth instrument - the guitars would likely need some software development as playing styles are more demanding and complex here than a straight keyboard instrument.

interesting...

apart from playing style, i assume that string mappings of Trillian (i don't own, so i just imagine) should be a good start to extrapolate an audio instrument dedicated to guitars ?

MFXxx · Post by **MFXxx** » Fri Sep 02, 2016 3:07 pm

Interesting thread. I like bananas...

beely · Post by **beely** » Fri Sep 02, 2016 3:14 pm

Krakatau wrote:apart from playing style, i assume that string mappings of Trillian (i don't own, so i just imagine) should be a good start to extrapolate an audio instrument dedicated to guitars ?

Maybe, I'm not sure. However, the world of playability with samples has come on a long way since those instruments - intelligent Kontakt scripting in particular has opened up a lot of ways to be expressive with these kinds of things, so there are certainly opportunities here.

I'm not saying they should do one finger automatic-guitar soundalikes here (they do tend to target musicians who want to *play*), but I do expect a certain amount of real-time playability in terms of string control, bends, slides, harmonics and so on - guitars are way more complex than keyboard instruments, and previous Spectrasonics instruments don't do this that well imo, compared to what's possible (and in the market) now.

Spectrasonics rumors...