Spectrasonics rumors...

[wagtunes]

Banana guy thinks it sounds good:

I don't understand why they didn't release one piano and one rhodes first and the rest as a series of expansion packs. Why wait 10 years to do a big bang release?

Because it's a part of their business model to bundle enough stuff together to create enough value to keep the profit up relative to the number of transactions. They also want to differentiate themselves in a way that can't be easily knocked off. Companies like Uhe, that actually are technically innovative, can eat Spectra's lunch in technical terms, but, don't necessarily have the resources to gather and restore all of these old vintage instruments. If you released them one at a time the game becomes a little different. There will undoubtedly be favorites and, consequently, less than favorites in that collection, so the competition could just focus on duplicating the winners and compete on price.

This is right up their alley and actually is a great representation of their skills. I find it hilarious that Omni users are so disappointed.

So what is the competition for this? I don't find the Arturia Rhodes to be that great, I do like the Wurli well enough, but it doesn't sound as good to me as this offering.

If it was an Omni add for $199, sure. But at $400? Forget it. I don't need a bunch of pianos that badly.

And that's the problem for us Omni owners. You essentially turn a $500 synth into almost a $1,000 synth just by adding some keys?

Really.

I mean think about it. Omni is only $100 more than this thing and it covers everything BUT.

It's the pricing model that turns me off more than anything else.

[Numanoid]

And that's the problem for us Omni owners. You essentially turn a $500 synth into almost a $1,000 synth just by adding some keys?

Omni weighs in at 64 GB, while the Keys top that at 80 GB

So think it is more than "just some keys"

[wagtunes]

And that's the problem for us Omni owners. You essentially turn a $500 synth into almost a $1,000 synth just by adding some keys?

Omni weighs in at 64 GB, while the Keys top that at 80 GB

So think it is more than "just some keys"

You can't equate size to usefulness.

Omni's 64 gig covers a massive amount of sounds.

This product? Not so much. I don't care about the size. I care about what I'm getting for that size.

Let's put this into perspective.

EWQL CC collection that I had gotten a couple of years ago to do soundtrack work weighs in at close to half a terrabyte. It cost me about $500. It covers an entire symphony orchestra and is some of the best sounding stuff out there.

Value wise, this product doesn't even come close to that OR Omnisphere, regardless of its size.

[JonSolo]

You can't equate size to usefulness.

Just keep telling yourself that.

(Sorry you left it SOOOOO open. I had many places to go with it ha.)

The part I really should be quoting is your last sentence...that the value for this does not come close to Omnisphere?

FOR WHO? YOU?!? Maybe you, but there are TONS of musicians and producers who could care less about Omnisphere and dive all over this. There are many button pushers who could care less about EWQL Cinematic Orchestra and think it is not worth the value, yet drop that much in sample purchases alone every month or two.

Reappraise your words before committing them to internet permanency. And stop dealing in absolutes. Something something Sith.

[noiseboyuk]

No real indication as to what the 30GB version offers.

It's there in the FAQ on the product page:

The "Lite" installation includes a small collection of models that uses only 30 GB of drive space – perfect for live rigs. You will find sounds created using the following:

Hohner Clavinet C
JD-800 Crystal Rhodes
LA Custom C7 Grand Piano
MK-80 Contemporary Rhodes
MKS-20 E Piano
MKS-20 Electric Grand
MKS-20 Vibes
Rhodes - Classic Mark I
Rhodes - LA Custom “E”
Wurlitzer 140B

[wagtunes]

You can't equate size to usefulness.

Just keep telling yourself that.

(Sorry you left it SOOOOO open. I had many places to go with it ha.)

The part I really should be quoting is your last sentence...that the value for this does not come close to Omnisphere?

FOR WHO? YOU?!? Maybe you, but there are TONS of musicians and producers who could care less about Omnisphere and dive all over this. There are many button pushers who could care less about EWQL Cinematic Orchestra and think it is not worth the value, yet drop that much in sample purchases alone every month or two.

Reappraise your words before committing them to internet permanency. And stop dealing in absolutes. Something something Sith.

That's fine. But I was responding to why Omni users are not jumping all over this. That's why. There isn't $400 worth of value for us. Not when we have a $500 synth that does everything else.

Just wanted to make that clear.

[Numanoid]

why Omni users are not jumping all over this. That's why. There isn't $400 worth of value for us. Not when we have a $500 synth that does everything else.

Nobody is jumping all over this at the mo, as it will not be available to jump on (ie buy) until September 12th

I also think that Omni users are more diverse, than they all can be labeled as "us"

There may be a silent majority of 'em that welcome this new addition. Only the sales figures will be able to tell in a couple of months.

[aMUSEd]

You can't equate size to usefulness.

Just keep telling yourself that.

(Sorry you left it SOOOOO open. I had many places to go with it ha.)

The part I really should be quoting is your last sentence...that the value for this does not come close to Omnisphere?

FOR WHO? YOU?!? Maybe you, but there are TONS of musicians and producers who could care less about Omnisphere and dive all over this. There are many button pushers who could care less about EWQL Cinematic Orchestra and think it is not worth the value, yet drop that much in sample purchases alone every month or two.

Reappraise your words before committing them to internet permanency. And stop dealing in absolutes. Something something Sith.

That's fine. But I was responding to why Omni users are not jumping all over this. That's why. There isn't $400 worth of value for us.

Speak for yourself.

[nordickvr]

why Omni users are not jumping all over this. That's why. There isn't $400 worth of value for us. Not when we have a $500 synth that does everything else.

...There may be a silent majority of 'em that welcome this new addition. Only the sales figures can tell.

I.e. Banana guy'v got his own way to express himself.
Definitely looks like silent majority Omni user type of guy.
To me, at least...

[spirit]

Spectrasonics are great at the hype. With Omni 1 it was burning pianos, in Omni 2 it was the secret radioactive caves, now we hear with Keyscape it was 10 years in the making. So what? Just means it was a side project they were stuffing about with for years. That's just pure marketing palaver. After that we're down to how many Gbs it is in the same way camera manufacturers used to try to convince people that more megapixels = a better camera.

Draw the wizard's curtin aside and we see a single market-leading product in Omni, others that are now feeling like abandonware, and a company trying to spin a huge PR line on a $400 piano rompler when they can't even get the launch date right. No wonder this has gone down so poorly.

[JonSolo]

That's fine. But I was responding to why Omni users are not jumping all over this. That's why. There isn't $400 worth of value for us. Not when we have a $500 synth that does everything else.

Just wanted to make that clear.

That is clear, but once again you have lumped every Omni user into your theory. And then you say it is not worth a $400 value to "us". I use Omni everyday and am seriously considering this library. And let me briefly share why...

How much have YOU spent on good piano/keyboard libraries? Probably a good bit like myself.

If I go over to Native Instruments right this minute and begin to purchase JUST the products that might begin to come close to this product I am already at $500, and it will not be the quality of this.

If I go over to Pianoteq and get the Pro version I am over $500 and barely skim the surface that Keyscape does.

In fact if I go ANYWHERE and start to purchase a compilation of pianos and keyboards, that even when combined WON'T touch the QUALITY or QUANTITY of this project, I am paying over $100 for a lesser product.

So I view Keyscape as a product on sale and ready for us to snatch it up. And very much worthy of our green!

[Numanoid]

Definitely looks like silent majority Omni user type of guy.
To me, at least...

For some reason I don't see the "regular" Omni user like that, but maybe I should?

[spirit]

In fact if I go ANYWHERE and start to purchase a compilation of pianos and keyboards, that even when combined WON'T touch the QUALITY or QUANTITY of this project, I am paying over $100 for a lesser product.

You have no idea what the quality of this product is like in comparison to other pro pianos.

And people who want top quality keys would likely already have one of the many available products. The question they ask is whether this additional expense gives them a significant margin of extra capability or quality. There are lots of good piano modules around.

[murnau]

If I go over to Pianoteq and get the Pro version I am over $500 and barely skim the surface that Keyscape does.

Good joke..

[Frantz]

If you released them one at a time the game becomes a little different. There will undoubtedly be favorites and, consequently, less than favorites in that collection, so the competition could just focus on duplicating the winners and compete on price.

I am guessing most of these instruments already exist as Kontakt libraries but not at this level of detail and quality. Perhaps this going to launch a sample library size war. Spectrasonics' 50 GB piano is nothing compared to our new 4 TB piano.

It is impressive that they have the resources to fund this project for 10 years without it earning anything. 10 years is an eternity in tech years. AOL went from a monster to a joke in that span of time.