very interested in autoalign but confused...
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Hi,
MAutoAlign does NOT do what PI does, it does what the auto align does, but it's much more powerful and easier to use. When it comes to PI, to be honest, it seems not useful at all to me and seems that reviews in various magazines confirmed it. It's an interesting idea, but the results are just not worth it...
MAutoAlign does NOT do what PI does, it does what the auto align does, but it's much more powerful and easier to use. When it comes to PI, to be honest, it seems not useful at all to me and seems that reviews in various magazines confirmed it. It's an interesting idea, but the results are just not worth it...
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MeldaProduction MeldaProduction https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=176122
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Basically MAutoAlign does what the sound radix's auto align, but without any complicated routing and for multiple tracks at once, not just 2...
IBP is in my opinion completely useless thing as well as the Waves' one. You can do the same thing with a few allpass filters and who would spent so much time with it, that's a mystery to me
. Also, this does not occur in nature. If you record something with multiple mikes, there will only be delay & phase inversion, so allpassing is just wrong and only change the sound character (of course, it may be intentional).
When it comes to mixing & phase inversion, then it would be good to have some tool, that does all that automatically, but sadly PI isn't it. There's no reasonable tool for that on the market, even remotely reasonable... But that's going to change!
IBP is in my opinion completely useless thing as well as the Waves' one. You can do the same thing with a few allpass filters and who would spent so much time with it, that's a mystery to me
. Also, this does not occur in nature. If you record something with multiple mikes, there will only be delay & phase inversion, so allpassing is just wrong and only change the sound character (of course, it may be intentional).When it comes to mixing & phase inversion, then it would be good to have some tool, that does all that automatically, but sadly PI isn't it. There's no reasonable tool for that on the market, even remotely reasonable... But that's going to change!
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True, sorry about that. I'm just fundamentally honest, and usually too direct . Anyway I have my opinions backed up by reviewers in magazines. I personally spent some time testing PI, and even arguing with some customer, who was trying to persuade me "it's great", no luck. Whatever I tried, I never got any improvement from it. From technical point of view I'm not surprised, the idea is nice, but too limiting imho, but who knows...
About sound radix auto align - I never said this one is bad, it in fact works the same way as MAutoAlign. But the problem with it is (or maybe was?) that you needed to add it to a track and send sidechain to it. That's a lot of work, especially for just 2 tracks! Then imagine aligning 8 mikes, that's virtually impossible! Not mentioning you'd need to choose a track to align other to and stuff...
So yes, I'm saying MAutoAlign is the best and everyone is free to try to prove me wrong. Sorry, I'm not saying about my own product it is not the best especially if I believe it is.
For the record, I never said that everything from melda is the best! In fact, in many cases it's quite controversial - take MReverb for instance, some people say it's the best, some say it completely sucks. And they are not for everyone, they are complex indeed. But for those, who can manage the complexness, I'm fairly sure many of them are indeed the best 
. That said, you may not agree, of course. There are endless opinions, especially when it comes to GUI for example...
. Anyway I have my opinions backed up by reviewers in magazines. I personally spent some time testing PI, and even arguing with some customer, who was trying to persuade me "it's great", no luck. Whatever I tried, I never got any improvement from it. From technical point of view I'm not surprised, the idea is nice, but too limiting imho, but who knows...About sound radix auto align - I never said this one is bad, it in fact works the same way as MAutoAlign. But the problem with it is (or maybe was?) that you needed to add it to a track and send sidechain to it. That's a lot of work, especially for just 2 tracks! Then imagine aligning 8 mikes, that's virtually impossible! Not mentioning you'd need to choose a track to align other to and stuff...
So yes, I'm saying MAutoAlign is the best and everyone is free to try to prove me wrong
. Sorry, I'm not saying about my own product it is not the best especially if I believe it is.For the record, I never said that everything from melda is the best! In fact, in many cases it's quite controversial - take MReverb for instance, some people say it's the best, some say it completely sucks
. And they are not for everyone, they are complex indeed. But for those, who can manage the complexness, I'm fairly sure many of them are indeed the best . That said, you may not agree, of course. There are endless opinions, especially when it comes to GUI for example...-
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Hehe no probs
No, MAutoAlign can only fix multi-miked recordings. I'm not sure how it relates to mono compatibility, but the main problem with mixing then (which PI tries to solve) is that different tracks contain the same frequencies with different phase, so they may be cancelling. But it's even worse because of transient bursts. It's a pretty complicated topic, I'm pretty looking forward to cracking it, cool challenge .
No, MAutoAlign can only fix multi-miked recordings. I'm not sure how it relates to mono compatibility, but the main problem with mixing then (which PI tries to solve) is that different tracks contain the same frequencies with different phase, so they may be cancelling. But it's even worse because of transient bursts. It's a pretty complicated topic, I'm pretty looking forward to cracking it
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Hehe, true! The problem is, that the differences between mono and stereo are the things that make it, well, stereo . There must be a difference, otherwise it's just mono. For that MStereoSpread really does miracles. But when you have something already, it can indeed be a pain. Didn't really think about accessing this though, interesting point.
. There must be a difference, otherwise it's just mono. For that MStereoSpread really does miracles. But when you have something already, it can indeed be a pain. Didn't really think about accessing this though, interesting point.-
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Great topic, very interested in this also. Its been something I've been focusing on the last few weeks.
As TheoM said about the crazy stereo sounds some effects and synth add can be a bit over the top, especially to bass.
I have found myself reducing the stereo image of a lot of sounds and adding, either or a combination of MStereoSpread and MStereoGenerator and have got some amazing results.
I have better results using this combination on bass and kick, you can see how you are effecting the stereo signal and with a few tweeks you can get a real tight and full sound, there is no need to boost the bass frequencys and have found this to help my bass more than any bass enhancing plugins can.
Not so much on higher frequency sounds, but recently I have found with combination of reducing the stereo image, splitting a signal 3 ways, MStereoSpread, MStereoGenerator and panning on each signal can generate some exquisite stereo fields with a good mono compatibility. Its a long winded way but I seem to be getting good results. There would be phase issues but not as extreme.
On sounds clashing and causing phase in a mixdown or bus, I have not really tried much but reducing phase in indivdual sounds has made a big difference to the final mix.
A plugin that could help this would be a big deal.
I would also not fully agree with all of Vojtech statments but I have found this to be true.
As TheoM said about the crazy stereo sounds some effects and synth add can be a bit over the top, especially to bass.
I have found myself reducing the stereo image of a lot of sounds and adding, either or a combination of MStereoSpread and MStereoGenerator and have got some amazing results.
I have better results using this combination on bass and kick, you can see how you are effecting the stereo signal and with a few tweeks you can get a real tight and full sound, there is no need to boost the bass frequencys and have found this to help my bass more than any bass enhancing plugins can.
Not so much on higher frequency sounds, but recently I have found with combination of reducing the stereo image, splitting a signal 3 ways, MStereoSpread, MStereoGenerator and panning on each signal can generate some exquisite stereo fields with a good mono compatibility. Its a long winded way but I seem to be getting good results. There would be phase issues but not as extreme.
On sounds clashing and causing phase in a mixdown or bus, I have not really tried much but reducing phase in indivdual sounds has made a big difference to the final mix.
A plugin that could help this would be a big deal.
I would also not fully agree with all of Vojtech statments but I have found this to be true.
MeldaProduction wrote:MStereoSpread really does miracles.
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I'm late to this topic, but @meldamusic, don't worry about it. I feel like your comment had almost no malice. And Melda makes some great stuff. But, to be honest, it's kinda ugly. Still, it's pretty rad.
Do you have anything akin to Sound Radix's Pi?
Do you have anything akin to Sound Radix's Pi?
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MeldaProduction MeldaProduction https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=176122
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I'm afraid not. I checked it once and didn't find it useful at all... But some solution to the phasing problem is planned, but a little more ultimate thing, hopefully
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When stereo is summed to mono.MeldaProduction wrote:But some solution to the phasing problem is planned, but a little more ultimate thing, hopefully
Not only phasing problems exists when decreasing the stereo width.
Especially if one of the L-R channels are detuned and the other stereo channel is not.
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- KVRist
- 120 posts since 8 Jul, 2017
Hi Vojtech!
Its a bit old topic but...
Did you find any solution to the phasing problem?
Its a bit old topic but...
Did you find any solution to the phasing problem?