Spectrasonics rumors...

[spirit]

If you're talking about the market, it's not pro musicians vs bedroom amateurs. The market is *who spends the money*.

[beely]

I think there's a whole lot of misunderstanding the whole company ethos here.

+1

Good post.

[incubus]

If you're talking about the market, it's not pro musicians vs bedroom amateurs. The market is *who spends the money*.

Don't know if they fit that mold though even though you are correct.

BTW (not directed at you but everyone) ... KVR is almost exclusively "bedroom amateurs" even though it tries to be something else. Nothing wrong with that. I question the motivation of people that try to play the "professional" card in this scenario.

[murnau]

What do you know? I was pro (if pro means to have an income with music) now i'm an ambitious amateur and the end of the year i will try it again: (Have managed to get a good paid job where i only need to work a few days a week). Plenty time to start a new career again.

You see the line is very thin.

[Terrafractyl]

Well, as a 'working' musician, and long time KVR'ist I've always felt like there is a certain amount of anti-elitist attitude here.
People here always want the 'free' version, or the version that uses 200% less cpu or can't stand the GUI.

It really does not feel like a place filled with people who care about the tools they love to use, but more a place where they can bitch about the ones they hate. (I have no large problem with this by the way)

But to me, Really the only people who act and talk like professionals I see here on a regular basis is in the DSP forum, and really its the only reason I come here. That is what makes KVR stand out from the other music related forums for me.

On topic tho, Personally as a lifetime keyboard player, I am very excited to try Keyscape. Less excited to save up for it.
but I have always found S's products to be very useful, and I'm always looking for new and better version of a Rhodes to try as I just love playing them!

[incubus]

What do you know?

Quite a bit

For example, the shaming factor of trying to belittle people who are not first-call musicians when their own music is complete shit and boring to the majority of listeners. But then this is simply another troll isn't it?

Who cares if anyone gets paid on not. If you want the product and like it, buy it. If you don't, then don't. If you want to complain, complain. Praise, go right ahead. Discussions should not be about shaming someone because they are "bedroom composers" but that won't stop a small handful of people from using it as some form of weapon.

[incubus]

Besides, I'm sick of hearing the exact same RMX patches used over and over on the science channel

[Mystic]

Getting a little bit offended by that.

And GearSlutz (and only that!) on the other hand is?!

Where does the notion even COME FROM that the KVR users are worth crap in the audio industry?! Does that mean that all users and the company representatives hosting subforums here subforums are basically "not the market"?!

What idiotic argument is this anyway?![/quote]
Then you get offended way too easy, mate. I didn't even bring Gearslutz into the equation. None of the people I know even use that forum. Hell, I've not been on it in a long time myself because it was being overrun with the same 10 questions over and over and over. You seem to have real beef with that place though considering you keep bringing it up.

I also never said that KVR users are worth crap. You keep seeing things where there is nothing to see and taking things out of context because you want to point fingers and be angry about something. I'm only stating that the grand majority of users here are not the market that Spectrasonics tends to cater to nor are the grand majority people who do music for a living and let me clarify that I mean make a living wage from music.

That's another idiotic argument. Do you even KNOW to what extend StylusRMX can be heard on TV, on the radio, in commercials in movies and games?! Heck it's 2016 and I still hear new soundtrack creations with RMX all over the place!

"it's not their money maker" - well, according to you, not as much anymore it seems - but it's still a widespread and highly regarded tool, used daily. By all kinds of musicians/techs.

What I know is that myself and many of my work acquiescences spend far more time working in Omnisphere, and many of them work closely with Spectrasonics. We rely on these tools and while RMX may be used quite a lot, it's not nearly used as much as Omnisphere. You can take that any way you'd like, call me a liar, say I don't know what I'm talking about... makes no difference to me.

Invalid argument - Eric is stating that for over 4 years (via Twitter, via Mail, via Forums, Interviews, you name it!). Also, Trillian can be easily integrated into Omnisphere. Unless you don't have Omnisphere (which a lot of people still do not, so I do understand the argumentation), I see no real reason for an update. Also - was it fully decked out to v1.99.xxx yet? (checks) nope, according to KVR, still v1.4.x - still a lot that can be done at this point (considering what happened with RMX 1.5, 1.7 and 1.9)

Hardly invalid. Also, 4 years is obviously nothing to Eric considering he just spent 10 years working on a keys library. He won't release it until he is happy with it.

Also, Trilian sounds amazing but the engine and scripting needs work because it lacks the playability of other libraries out there which make things like note transitioning smoother and sound more natural. It has nothing to do with Omnisphere integration.

Define "we" - I did not ask for it to be honest. And there are plenty of alternatives with excellent key switching technology - oh wait... "the sound is inferior and cheap" (the main argument on the internet against Musiclab) or "it needs Kontakt" (the main argument against pretty much everything else).

"We". People who do this for a living and have an actual career in music. And yes, there are plenty of options out there. I own many of them. I'd go as far as to say I own most of them. The thing is that Spectrasonics is on a whole other level of perfection and could really take it to the next level. Also, the integration in Omnisphere would mean needing to sift through a ton of libraries to find the sound I'm looking for which is something that helps greatly when on deadlines.

One could also say the same for RMX. There are plenty of things like it but you want an update because you know Spectrasonics is the top of the game. Makes sense, really.

Yeah, hype one tool until infinity and beyond - ignore the rest of the product line/users.

It must take talent to be that salty. Nothing I say further is going to change your mind since every rebuttal is an "invalid argument" in your eyes. Figured I'd just respond to this for the sake of others so they can further understand the reality of what is going on rather than to continue to see others pick up the same narrow-minded view you seem to deploy. One day your update will come and then you can complain that it isn't what you hoped it would be for whatever the reason.

[Mystic]

Double Post

[mhog]

Professional software as in "used only by professionals" exists no more. It's the result that counts, nowadays... sometimes luck. See for instance Jordan Rudess and the likes playing tunes on those tiny 10$ ipad toysynths (they always get professional results) while all those millions vst collectors are spending thousands $ in professional DAWs every year for karaoke results 99/100 Same situation and results in photography, movies, literature, fine arts, poetry, etc. Facebook, Youtube and Soundcloud are full of self-styled artists. KVR forum, too, as far as I can see

[padillac]

This thread has taken a bizarre turn. I never belittled KVR members or said they're trash or worthless or whatever stuff Compyfox wants to freak out about.

My point is simple: Spectrasonics appears to have prioritized the needs of a segment of their customer base, over the needs of another segment. Most companies do that – it's what keeps them in business.

But sure, go ahead and take all of this as a personal insult

[mhog]

IMO you are just overrating music software, which actually represents a niche market. People here complain about "Spectrasonics not listening to their costumers", and it all sounds as if "millions of musicians contacted Spectrasonics for this and that, but Eric shamefully acted on his own and has come out with a keyboard thing, when this market is oversaturated" All marketing experts here I guess things are much simpler than that: they just do what they like and the best they can. That's the best example of honesty IMO. You talk of "target market", but the only parameter for success in this market is quality.

[ATS]

hey if you don't like this plug it's because you are not a pro and Spectrasonics only caters to pros

[Cyoon]

[incubus]

Ah Suloo, I miss the old "bitwig" kvr cat days.......