KVR Audio

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:17 am

flakes2 wrote: From their facebook page

Above I alrady mentioned the related Tone2 forum thread:
http://www.tone2.org/forum/index.php?topic=2420.0

The upcoming v1.1 update of Icarus should make the synth even better than it already was. I am looking forward to the Beta for this update.

jk-cream2 · Post by **jk-cream2** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:33 pm

Can this sample, what I did, be replicated in Icarus?
I had a sample mangled in N.I. Form. This sample seems to have some pitch and amplitude modulation.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mkuek9tshryg7 ... g.wav?dl=0

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:43 pm

jk-cream2 wrote:Can this sample, what I did, be replicated in Icarus?
I had a sample mangled in N.I. Form. This sample seems to have some pitch and amplitude modulation.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mkuek9tshryg7 ... g.wav?dl=0

The sample is quite short and Resynthesis in Icarus seems to work. It creates a wavetale with 65 waveforms. To play the full sample from teh wavetable you have to scan trough the whole table (e.g. with a Saw Up LFO in ENV mode).

Anyway importing pitch modulation should not really work properly as the saple is imported as single cycles and single cycles all have the same pitch. A higher pitch simply meanssmultiple single cycles at the same time frame.
The Resynthesi will import the detected single cycles indepenedent of the lengt of teh cycles. In te resuulting wavetable al waveforms have teh same length and pitch.
Changes in the timbre/sound or amplitude should be properly imported in the wavetable/waveforms.

flakes2 · Post by **flakes2** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:28 pm

I am looking forward to the enhancements. Will there be a beta for v1.1?

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:53 pm

Really loving programming this synth. There are so many different ways you can go about doing it, with each one giving a very different result.

I do have one very minor nit pick though about the LFOs. I'd love a free form mode where they don't trigger from the beginning with each new note. Yes, you can play legato and the LFOs will continue cycling somewhat. There seems to be a polyphony limit not tied to patch polyphony. I'll make a video if I have to in order to illustrate what I mean.

A free form LFO would be great for atmospheric pads that evolve over time slowly. Right now, this is a very hard effect to produce with the way the LFOs behave currently.

Mac of BIOnighT · Post by **Mac of BIOnighT** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:02 pm

You can modulate the LFO's with the sine waves in the matrix, that makes the whole thing more lively

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:06 pm

Mac of BIOnighT wrote:You can modulate the LFO's with the sine waves in the matrix, that makes the whole thing more lively

It's a workaround at best. It's still not a free form LFO.

stillshaded · Post by **stillshaded** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:11 pm

Can you modulate lfo phase in the matrix? You could do random source > lfo phase.

Mac of BIOnighT · Post by **Mac of BIOnighT** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:47 pm

Yes, you can modulate both phase and speed, and considering each matrix slot can modulate any other matrix slot, you can have something that is infinitely more unpredictable, seemingly random, and lively than a free running LFO. If it's a workaround, allow me to say it's a heck of a workaround

Try it out

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:11 pm

Mac of BIOnighT wrote:Yes, you can modulate both phase and speed, and considering each matrix slot can modulate any other matrix slot, you can have something that is infinitely more unpredictable, seemingly random, and lively than a free running LFO. If it's a workaround, allow me to say it's a heck of a workaround
Try it out

I will give it a shot. But see, here's the problem. What if I want something as simple as this, as an example?

I have a 3 wave wavetable. The first wave is a saw, the second is a square and the third is a pulse wave.

I want the sound to morph from the saw to the square to the pulse, via LFO but I don't want the Wavetable to restart at the sawtooth wave with every new note. But I still want the progression to go from saw to square to pulse in that order without any randomness.

Now, while that's going on, I want my 2nd wavetable to do the same thing with 3 different waves using LFO 2 set at a slightly faster speed but also not resetting with each new note.

Eventually, because of the different LFO speeds, you'll get different timbers between the two wavetables combined while still proceeding in a linear progression.

With one LFO modulating another in the matrix or whatever other variables you decide to use, there is no way to do this easily, if at all. I'm not even sure what I would have to do in order to program this, if at all even possible.

Point is, there is no way currently in this software to do something as simple as I just outlined, simply all because the LFOs trigger with each new note.

Hopefully, this explains why this is a big deal to me as I design quite a few patches with other synths that are capable of doing this with absolute ease simply because their LFOs have 2 different modes of operation, retrigger and no retrigger.

It's not really a lot to ask for and, IMO, a glaring omission from Icarus as a high end synth.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:45 pm

Ouch! You cannot set LFO's to re-trigger or not re-trigger?

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:00 pm

pdxindy wrote:Ouch! You cannot set LFO's to re-trigger or not re-trigger?

If you enable teh "ENV" switch the LFO will be a one-shot so it is usableas an envelope that way.

Also teh "Mono" switch on/off seesm to have an impact on how the LFOs trigger.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:14 pm

Ingonator wrote:
pdxindy wrote:Ouch! You cannot set LFO's to re-trigger or not re-trigger?
If you enable teh "ENV" switch the LFO will be a one-shot so it is usableas an envelope that way.

Also teh "Mono" switch on/off seesm to have an impact on how the LFOs trigger.

Well, I've tried everything I can think of to get it to not trigger when I hit a new note. The ENV stops the LFO when it reaches the end so it's of no use to me to do what I'm trying to do.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:16 pm

pdxindy wrote:Ouch! You cannot set LFO's to re-trigger or not re-trigger?

Nope. If you set it to mono and play legato, it will keep cycling, but that's it. There is no true no retrigger mode.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:18 pm

wagtunes wrote:
Ingonator wrote:
pdxindy wrote:Ouch! You cannot set LFO's to re-trigger or not re-trigger?
If you enable teh "ENV" switch the LFO will be a one-shot so it is usableas an envelope that way.

Also teh "Mono" switch on/off seesm to have an impact on how the LFOs trigger.
Well, I've tried everything I can think of to get it to not trigger when I hit a new note. The ENV stops the LFO when it reaches the end so it's of no use to me to do what I'm trying to do.

that would be a +1 for that as a feature request!

Tone2 will release Icarus - 3D WaveTable Synthesizer