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Rational · Post by **Rational** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:11 am

Funny. I was just thinking about posting the 808 thing earlier today. But hadn't noticed the 909 aspect. Good catch Unc.

sqigls · Post by **sqigls** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:39 pm

anyone know the cheapest possible way to attain a Softube Modular license please?
cheers and thank you

hivkorn · Post by **hivkorn** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:22 pm

sqigls wrote:anyone know the cheapest possible way to attain a Softube Modular license please?
cheers and thank you

I could sell you my copy , but i will die if I sell it !!

75$
http://plugindiscounts.com/home/7003-so ... dular.html

Nspace · Post by **Nspace** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:40 pm

Uncle E wrote:Up to 40% off iZotope RX and Upgrades. Automatic extra discounts in cart at JRR Shop:

www.jrrshop.com/izotope

iZotope RX 5 $249
iZotope RX Plugin Pack $99
iZotope RX 5 Advanced $749
iZotope RX Post Production Suite $999

Upgrades:
iZotope RX 5 Upgrade from RX 1-4 $99
iZotope RX 5 Upgrade from RX Plugin Pack $150
iZotope RX 5 Advanced Upgrade from RX 1-4 Advanced $299
iZotope RX 5 Advanced Upgrade from RX 1-5 Standard $499
iZotope RX Post Production Suite Upgrade from RX 1-5 Standard $799
iZotope RX Post Production Suite Upgrade from RX 1-4 Advanced $599

Uncle E. maybe you are able to communicate iZotope about the silliness of their RX Advanced upgrading policy -in case it intends to reach most potential customers around here-.
Getting RX (non Advanced) has been made accessible either at launch lapse or at some short-lived offer, and this has pbbly allowed thousands of us getting this software. So far, so good.
However;

Uncle E wrote:RX 5 Advanced Upgrade from RX 1-5 Standard $499

is about the best price ever asked for this specific upgrade and this is a NO No for the large majority of us. Particularly if iZotope also asks its RX Advanced users to pay EXTRA $299 yearly!!! to keep RX adv up to date...

If iZotope does ever want to gain traction with the rather large market segment of discerning customers with limited budgets, then they should seriously need to re-think those two aspects.. Namely their asking price of admission, and the cost to avoid obsolescence.
///Yes, we all know roaring music businesses are just a few and they don't even lag to check sudden offers in forums alike; we are precisely the opposite, and this limited marketing strategy is hurting iZotope (there are ways to avoid customer segments cannibalism) plus is keeping us -potential users- far away.
As a suitable solution, iZotope could start by learning what Celemony have done with their loyal customers and their Melodyne Advanced access while keeping their real highly priced and distinctive product (Capstan) up in the clouds.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:01 pm

Nspace wrote:If iZotope does ever want to gain traction with the rather large market segment of discerning customers with limited budgets, then they should seriously need to re-think those two aspects.. Namely their asking price of admission, and the cost to avoid obsolescence.

If I may, what is the advantage of owning RX Advanced over RX Standard and/or RX Plugin pack for you?

autodafe · Post by **autodafe** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:02 am

sqigls wrote:anyone know the cheapest possible way to attain a Softube Modular license please?
cheers and thank you

And...what about Softube Heartbeat ? (bought Modular and missed HeartBeat when it was on sale...)

Nspace · Post by **Nspace** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:05 am

Uncle E wrote: If I may, what is the advantage of owning RX Advanced over RX Standard and/or RX Plugin pack for you?

Good question. Have to ask it to me again because several times find myself mixing my own ideas/feelings with discussion about the "general effect on us customers" and alike global themes. Not that I don't see a necessity for such expression (in this forum and other channels), on the contrary, but your question still falls spot on:

How good is RX advanced over the plain RX version for my usage?
I don't know hands on, and should go without saying that the feature difference does not appear as justifying the ever-present distance in prices. However one dreams, last version (4) it was the de-reverb function and now it is that extra interpolation (ambience matching) that will make the edits and noise/sound removal more tidy.

In the spectral tools one would like to access what has recently been added to the table, (which has been plenty really, three years ago they were mostly useless tools) and ideally also buy into the future. Similar expectations to what Melodyne has acknowledged and rewarded to their customer base. If we think of it, Celemony is believing into the their future; with their 2016 version 4 release actions they are hugely building loyalty, so in the next years they could easily ask for paid upgrades if they bring novel developments. They may still price their actual product high, since they are relevant and unique.
The other (function-wise) relevant actor in the Spectral tools domain, Spectralayers has just been acquired by Berlin based Magix. We will see about this, since I am sure the former and apparently also the latter, don't seem to have comprehensive upgrade policies...so far.

///Since spectral future features are part of the answer to your questions Uncle E. I'll add that it would be a surprise if radical technical advances arise in the next couple of years, because such advances have just recently been implemented... Nevertheless I am hoping that possibly after a short while AI will come to the rescue and THEN we will have the real 2nd generation de-noising/sound-shaping tools many of us crave for.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:10 am

Nspace wrote:Good question. Have to ask it to me again because several times find myself mixing my own ideas/feelings with discussion about the "general effect on us customers" and alike global themes.

Thank you. I asked both so I could better answer your question and because I honestly do not have a strong understanding of what would drive someone to need RX Advanced over RX Standard. As a mix and mastering engineer, RX Plugin Pack serves my needs, and as a hobbyist sound designer, RX Standard serves my needs. I've always seen RX Advanced as being a product geared toward voice dubbing, foley, audio archiving, audio forensics, and other such professional fields, is that an incorrect assumption?

Anyway, I passed your message on to iZotope and will tell you what they say about it.

Similar expectations to what Melodyne has acknowledged and rewarded to their customer base. If we think of it, Celemony is believing into the their future; with their 2016 version 4 release actions they are hugely building loyalty, so in the next years they could easily ask for paid upgrades if they bring novel developments.

If RX Advanced, Ozone Advanced, and Melodyne Studio were all exactly the same price, I believe Ozone Advanced and Melodyne Studio would have similar customers and similar volumes of sales, whereas RX Advanced would mostly be for a different customer base and would have far fewer sales. If this is true (I acknowledge that this is an assumption that cannot be factually proven), then it makes sense to me that iZotope needs to price RX Advanced higher to make similar profits to what they make with Ozone Advanced. Perhaps more importantly, while there are strong alternatives to Ozone Advanced and Melodyne Studio, the only direct competitor for RX Advanced that I know of is Algorithmix ReNOVAtor and that sells for $3,199.

///Since spectral future features are part of the answer to your questions Uncle E. I'll add that it would be a surprise if radical technical advances arise in the next couple of years, because such advances have just recently been implemented... Nevertheless I am hoping that possibly after a short while AI will come to the rescue and THEN we will have the real 2nd generation de-noising/sound-shaping tools many of us crave for.

The first time I saw Algorithmix ReNOVAtor being used over 10 years ago, I thought it was absolutely magic. It stills blows my mind what it and RX are capable of.

Nspace · Post by **Nspace** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:16 pm

Thank You Uncle E. for your input in this and also for your communication with the devs.

About the Spectral tools landscape
One thing I wouldn't do is including Ozone Advanced here. Despite I don't work with it, it looks just as a good editor or plugin host, something to which users may add the RX Plugin Pack or the various Zynaptiq spectral plugins to-make-it-spectral-able. Correct me if I'm wrong, but inherently Ozone Advanced does not bring any feature that would make it spectral-wise different from the plethora of plugin hosts.
Melodyne belongs right up there, being completely unique in the way they are able to separate polyphonic material, say chords into single notes, what they call DNA tech (Direct Note Access), let alone the many new ways of dealing with harmonics and formants the recent v4 has.
Then Spectralayers is the only one that has Photoshop-like tools to sculpt the sounds. A processing path the rest will probably somehow join in within time.
There are also a few others; small like the Audionamix, Photosounder, etc. and a few big and very expensive like the Algorithmix (I didn't know), CEDAR, etc.

Finally, iZotope's RX Advanced... what does it have so unique in the Spectral realm?
Answer: Only that tidying "ambience matching" function, really. The rest of its features, like easy streamlined workflow has been quite user-relevant, (because one typically repeats actions when doing sound corrections or modifications) but is far from innovative. So yes, it is a very good tool, the first one that tried hard to ease things to the user, in a field that has a steep learning curve. However they need to innovate, because workflow is not that hard to improve. In my perspective iZotope is hardly safe from competitors, particularly in the Advanced level.

Imho, this field is not just for forensic/corporate users, many home producers/musicians want control access to their(our) sounds. A strong indication of this is the exponential growth of complex GUIs in the Virtual Instruments field, now coming with deep control tools. Also add, the amazing development of the software synths. Therefore, it appears that there is (or soon will be) a market for good, deep, accessible Spectral tools.
I am attentive

pinki · Post by **pinki** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:59 pm

hivkorn · Post by **hivkorn** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:51 am

hivkorn wrote:
For every PSP Stomp Delay lover...
I have just buy my copy for 20$ ....

Thanks, I just checked this out and it works out to $27.60 USD.

It depend how plugins you already have

Rational · Post by **Rational** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:02 pm

I just noticed an ad saying that I could by the Lindell Audio PEX-500 for $39. Clicked on it and it took me to their website. There was a little note saying to login to get the $39 price. Is this a new sale as of today I'm noticing? Or has this been running for awhile? Just noticed it. Didn't want to post it in the bargains only thread until I confirmed it.

https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/prod ... x-500.html

Also, anyone know how long the Waves Electric 88 and Pusher are on sale for? See them on sale over at don't crack for $35 and $25 respectively.

And how long is that discount available for the PSP Stomp Delay using the CM discount code? Might grab that.

And how long is the McDSP 6050 on sale for? I see it over at plugindiscounts for $173. That the best price going?

Got a lead on an actual 1974 Fender Rhodes Mark I for $900 all working. Might grab that. What do you think?

You probably think I'm addicted to shopping for music plugins and gear. You'd be right.

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:35 pm

Rational wrote:I just noticed an ad saying that I could by the Lindell Audio PEX-500 for $39. Clicked on it and it took me to their website. There was a little note saying to login to get the $39 price. Is this a new sale as of today I'm noticing? Or has this been running for awhile? Just noticed it. Didn't want to post it in the bargains only thread until I confirmed it.

https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/prod ... x-500.html

Also, anyone know how long the Waves Electric 88 and Pusher are on sale for? See them on sale over at don't crack for $35 and $25 respectively.

And how long is that discount available for the PSP Stomp Delay using the CM discount code? Might grab that.

And how long is the McDSP 6050 on sale for? I see it over at plugindiscounts for $173. That the best price going?

Got a lead on an actual 1974 Fender Rhodes Mark I for $900 all working. Might grab that. What do you think?

You probably think I'm addicted to shopping for music plugins and gear. You'd be right.

You have GAS

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:43 pm

Rational wrote:Also, anyone know how long the Waves Electric 88 and Pusher are on sale for?

At least until the end of the month.

Got a lead on an actual 1974 Fender Rhodes Mark I for $900 all working. Might grab that. What do you think?

You're going to love it. I've got two of them but only one fully functional and no sustain pedal for either.

Rational · Post by **Rational** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:46 pm

According to plugindiscounts: "The 6050 sale ends at the end of the month."

FYI

Thanks Uncle E. I think you've talked me into it.

And I just picked up the PSP Stomp Delay. Cost me $27.60 with the code listed in the latest issue of CM.

By the way, I was with Zinio before, but just switched to Google Play Newsstand. They have a $2.99 per month subscription for CM magazine. Canx anytime. First month free.

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