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#rob · Post by **#rob** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:55 am

Trolling or not, I'm not judging.

But forum topics like this can be found with search machines and read by anyone, so I think the facts should be set straight for any potential visitors and readers, even non KVR members.

Viktor [TUC] · Post by **Viktor [TUC]** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:00 am

Nah, it's all good, he's just asking a question.

stardustmedia · Post by **stardustmedia** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:38 am

#rob wrote:Trolling or not, I'm not judging.

But forum topics like this can be found with search machines and read by anyone, so I think the facts should be set straight for any potential visitors and readers, even non KVR members.

Another fact I'd like to add: Even at extrem settings (all kinds of parameters except noise and asperity at minimum) I don't get over -100dB noise floor in average (20kHz is at around -90dB).

So noise is definitely not an issue. Maybe if you use 20 instances with such extrem settings, but then you'll have anyway a very lo-fi sound to begin with

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 11:08 am

Ayorinde wrote:I can only suggest you put in a FR with Urs...

What is "FR"?

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 11:12 am

chilly7 wrote:
Ayorinde wrote:I can only suggest you put in a FR with Urs...
What is "FR"?

in your case, 'fatuous requisition'

lectrixboogaloo · Post by **lectrixboogaloo** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 11:18 am

FR = Futile Reply? Fun Revisionism? Feature Request? Future Redaction?

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 11:26 am

stardustmedia wrote:
chilly7 wrote:
Ayorinde wrote:
There is an auto-mute switch which defeats the noise when no signal is being received...

I am not intresting in it seens i want no noise level all the time.
Why do you want that?

Just use the auto-switch. If you still can hear the noise in the mix, with the noise level and asperity all down, you must have an extraordinary loudspeaker and room setup and incredible ears. Because with "normal" settings the noise is at around -140dB.

So again, why are you so "manic" about the noise? Noise is not a bad thing.
Think about this: All analog records have much higher noise floor than -140dB. Or all completely digital productions that were mastered analog in the best mastering studios will have a higher noise floor. And finally I bet your loudspeaker setup (amp, cable, etc.) have a much higher noise floor, so it will mask Satin's noise floor anyway. Therefor: Can you really hear Satin's noise, or is it just in your mind

That's why I'd say your idea of Satin's noise seems a little manic to me. If you really cannot let go of this idea, well, then sell Satin and get Slate.

I want people to anjoy music with perfect hearing and perfect equipment. Also my master for who i make music has perfect hearing and equipment. However i am human so i cannot make anything perfect but i am tring to be as close as possible.

Yes. In the mix it can be heared. I do not like main stream music. So the crup going on in main stream music does not interfere me. Awrything there is unnecessary lound and blowed up and so on.

Music i do contain wide dynamic range.

Even usual people with conventional audio equipment can hear noise in some parts of song.

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 11:35 am

#rob wrote:It's +3 dB for every additional instance of Satin with noise at -155dB.
So even with 20 tracks of Satin constantly outputting noise, you'll end up with -155 + (19 x 3) = -98 dBfs of noise.
Which is still below 2 dBfs below 16-bit noise floor.

Even if you should really be able to perceive that, in a well treated room with expensive speakers at an unhealthy volume, it would still not make its way onto a CD. Just saying...

I do not do CDs.
I do 32bit Waves.
And 24bit for thouse who cannot play back 32bit.

Music can be download here https://yadi.sk/d/kZuLVE7xp7fGv .

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 11:47 am

I wanted to doble cheak if i might technical issues or there is some unusual behavor at 192Khz vs 48Khz. But i used Presonus Spectrum Analiser in Studio One and indeed noise is about -120 on peaks. And i can hear it pretty clearly. And in room i am siting is not perfectly silent as well.
How ever at 192Khz (At which i am recording.) the noise is a bit less loud vs 48Khz.

mcbpete · Post by **mcbpete** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 12:07 pm

"noise is about -120 on peaks. And i can hear it pretty clearly" - Really ?! How bloody loud do you have the speakers ... woah

stardustmedia · Post by **stardustmedia** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 12:08 pm

chilly7 wrote:I wanted to doble cheak if i might technical issues or there is some unusual behavor at 192Khz vs 48Khz. But i used Presonus Spectrum Analiser in Studio One and indeed noise is about -120 on peaks. And i can hear it pretty clearly. And in room i am siting is not perfectly silent as well.
How ever at 192Khz (At which i am recording.) the noise is a bit less loud vs 48Khz.

I bet you hear another noise. Impossible to hear that noise. Your converters noise floor will be way above that noise. Your amps noise floor above your converters (given you have a really good converter). Don't be fooled by your eyes.

And just saying: The listeners converters and amps and so on will be way above that noise floor. So all noise that's heard will come from someone else, and not Satin.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 12:15 pm

stardustmedia wrote:
chilly7 wrote:I wanted to doble cheak if i might technical issues or there is some unusual behavor at 192Khz vs 48Khz. But i used Presonus Spectrum Analiser in Studio One and indeed noise is about -120 on peaks. And i can hear it pretty clearly. And in room i am siting is not perfectly silent as well.
How ever at 192Khz (At which i am recording.) the noise is a bit less loud vs 48Khz.
I bet you hear another noise.

Brownian distribution Dunning-Kruger, most likely.

stardustmedia · Post by **stardustmedia** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 12:55 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:Brownian distribution Dunning-Kruger, most likely.

Maybe, or a exploding head syndrome

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploding_head_syndrome

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:58 pm

The noise is not loud but i hear it clearly. And room i am siting in is not perfectly silent.
I use Hilo Lynx audio interface and Sehneizers HD800 headphones.
The volum for hadphones is at level which let me comfortable listen to noise which is 0db on peak at full frequncy spectrum from 20Hz to 20Khz.
I use this volum to listen to the loudest audio sources with out fear for hearing loss.

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:05 pm

stardustmedia wrote:
chilly7 wrote:I wanted to doble cheak if i might technical issues or there is some unusual behavor at 192Khz vs 48Khz. But i used Presonus Spectrum Analiser in Studio One and indeed noise is about -120 on peaks. And i can hear it pretty clearly. And in room i am siting is not perfectly silent as well.
How ever at 192Khz (At which i am recording.) the noise is a bit less loud vs 48Khz.
I bet you hear another noise. Impossible to hear that noise. Your converters noise floor will be way above that noise. Your amps noise floor above your converters (given you have a really good converter). Don't be fooled by your eyes.

And just saying: The listeners converters and amps and so on will be way above that noise floor. So all noise that's heard will come from someone else, and not Satin.

So why this hapens only with Satine turned on?

I cheakek in Studio One with Spectrum Analizer with empty project but only Satin and it says audio is about -120 on peak.

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