KVR Audio

KoolKool · Post by **KoolKool** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:55 am

Shabdahbriah wrote: The off-key vocalization @ 0:07-0:26 (and elsewhere)???

... that sound is irritating as f***.

force you to defeat the boss fast

KoolKool · Post by **KoolKool** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:58 am

i'm into video game soundtrack composing, so definitely "dissonance" is something really essential

, maybe not for common listeners taste, but oldskool people will love music with this element!

kelvyn · Post by **kelvyn** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:25 pm

I would say that 'Lux Aeterna' by Ligetti is quite a good example of dissonance sounding fantastic. It's the vocal piece that Kubrick used when the monolith appears in the film 2001.
Out of tune is, well... Out of tune!

Zookes · Post by **Zookes** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:02 am

Maybe think of plainness vs. richness and simple vs. complex instead of consonance vs. dissonance.

Dissonance does not mean so much without context. Mostly relative.

Maybe you hear a "dissonant" sound at the beginning of a piece. Only seems dissonant because you arrived there from silence.

Shabdahbriah · Post by **Shabdahbriah** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:20 am

KoolKool wrote:
Shabdahbriah wrote: The off-key vocalization @ 0:07-0:26 (and elsewhere)???

... that sound is irritating as f***.
force you to defeat the boss fast

Aaaah... totally makes sense, now.

{note to self:eliminate defeat boss quickly}

NoirSuede · Post by **NoirSuede** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:16 am

Not necessarily, like pretty much everything else it can work in some situations like for example in more somber songs like this one(starts at 1:28) :

zethus909 · Post by **zethus909** » Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:19 am

theres a "good" dissonance and a "bad" one though. the bad one, is like pitch bending, long drawn out LFOs that are harmonically just a little bit too much tonally off of other persistent tones....will make your head explode if listened to for too long.

overlapping tones that are fundamentally very similar, relatively, but dissimilar enough that they begin to hurt your brain and can cause disorientation.

in very short passing moments you can get away with. but persistently "bad" dissonance is extremely unpleasant. like someone singing 20 cents off pitch for 5 minutes...and maybe the guitarist is also 30 cents off in the other direction...the bassist is on. this will give you pain.

cdverson · Post by **cdverson** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 11:48 pm

It's good for building tension.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 10:11 am

zethus909 wrote:theres a "good" dissonance and a "bad" one though. the bad one, is like pitch bending, long drawn out LFOs that are harmonically just a little bit too much tonally off of other persistent tones....will make your head explode if listened to for too long.

overlapping tones that are fundamentally very similar, relatively, but dissimilar enough that they begin to hurt your brain and can cause disorientation.

You mean this?

Or this?

NOTE: This is great music. IMO, from one of the true musical geniuses of the XXth century.

zethus909 wrote: in very short passing moments you can get away with. but persistently "bad" dissonance is extremely unpleasant. like someone singing 20 cents off pitch for 5 minutes...and maybe the guitarist is also 30 cents off in the other direction...the bassist is on. this will give you pain.

That's not dissonance, that's out of tune playing. Very unpleasant, because it is "out" of "tune".

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 10:12 am

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 10:14 am

aMUSEd wrote:No

zethus909 · Post by **zethus909** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:54 pm

Or this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbLcI9- ... bLcI9-Js0U

oh gawd....that music should be illegal, or used for torture purposes only. making music that is purposefully dissonant is

AWFULLLLLL AWFULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL PLEASE NO ONE WATCH THOSE< DO NOT CLICK ON THE LINKS, even momentary exposure can cause MASSIVE HEADACHES. u have been warned

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:13 pm

zethus909 wrote:

Or this?

oh gawd....that music should be illegal, or used for torture purposes only. making music that is purposefully dissonant is

AWFULLLLLL AWFULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL PLEASE NO ONE WATCH THOSE< DO NOT CLICK ON THE LINKS, even momentary exposure can cause MASSIVE HEADACHES. u have been warned

Fixed the second link

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:22 pm

fmr wrote:
zethus909 wrote:theres a "good" dissonance and a "bad" one though. the bad one, is like pitch bending, long drawn out LFOs that are harmonically just a little bit too much tonally off of other persistent tones....will make your head explode if listened to for too long.

overlapping tones that are fundamentally very similar, relatively, but dissimilar enough that they begin to hurt your brain and can cause disorientation.
You mean this?

Or this?

NOTE: This is great music. IMO, from one of the true musical geniuses of the XXth century.

Some of the most beautiful music ever written

Gamma-UT · Post by **Gamma-UT** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:12 pm

zethus909 wrote:oh gawd....that music should be illegal, or used for torture purposes only. making music that is purposefully dissonant is

AWFULLLLLL AWFULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL PLEASE NO ONE WATCH THOSE< DO NOT CLICK ON THE LINKS, even momentary exposure can cause MASSIVE HEADACHES. u have been warned

The first one was the easy-listening version. Don't whatever you do watch 2001: A Space Odyssey.

You think dissonance is bad? Extreme consonance can send you a bit stir crazy after a while as well. Try a day with nothing but Palestrina's motets for company.

Is dissonance bad?