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Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:03 pm

layzer wrote:hmm...minimum specs for the win vst is XP and 32bit is available. These guys will stay in business.

but how does it compare CPU efficiency-wise to great free synths like Charlatan, Synth1, PG8X and Dexed?

With the 64-bit VST2 in Live 9.6.2 64-bit and my old Core 2 Quad Q6600 CPU it takes around 12-14% (display in Live) for one voice but with 4-voice Poly (or Unison) the maximum for one instance seems to around the doubkle amount of a signgöe voice or even less so especially with polyphony it is quite efficient.
Even with 8 instances and 4 voices each (= 32 voices at once) it does not overlad teh CPU here.
Of course this also depends on the sample rate and buffer settings you use in your DAW (the values mentioned are for 44.1 kHz and 512 samples).

Soon i will also test on a newer i5 Quad Core CPU and it should be even better there.

Have not really tested the 32-bit version yet and i am also using Windows 10 64-bit so no dedicated 32-bit system anyway.

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:14 pm

Ingonator wrote:
layzer wrote:hmm...minimum specs for the win vst is XP and 32bit is available. These guys will stay in business.

but how does it compare CPU efficiency-wise to great free synths like Charlatan, Synth1, PG8X and Dexed?
With the 64-bit VST2 in Live 9.6.2 64-bit and my old Core 2 Quad Q6600 CPU it takes around 12-14% (display in Live) for one voice but with 4-voice Poly (or Unison) the maximum for one instance seems to around the doubkle amount of a signgöe voice or even less so especially with polyphony it is quite efficient.
Even with 8 instances and 4 voices each (= 32 voices at once) it does not overlad teh CPU here.
Of course this also depends on the sample rate and buffer settings you use in your DAW (the values mentioned are for 44.1 kHz and 512 samples).

Soon i will also test on a newer i5 Quad Core CPU and it should be even better there.

Have not really tested the 32-bit version yet and i am also using Windows 10 64-bit so no dedicated 32-bit system anyway.

Why bother? Let the lazy git try himself. There is a demo for that very reason. He wont buy it anyway, he only uses free stuff.

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:15 pm

zvenx wrote:Hi,
was mac,
but I got it to work using the shift and mouse wheel.
thanks
rsp

AnX wrote:
zvenx wrote:Hi that's where I was talking about.. in my very brief interaction I couldnt easily get it to do 2 up and down
Rsp

AnX wrote:
zvenx wrote:Thanks Ingo. In my 3 minute use I couldnt quite get the pitchwheel paramater to go where I want it to (typically +/-2) either using drag up and down, double clicking to enter directly or shift mouse wheel. It kept wanting to go to +/-7.. Today will spend the time with it.
Thanks
Rsp
Go to the back panel and adjust pb range
Works here. What version... pc/mac?

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:39 pm

Frantz wrote:Looking good. No time to demo yet.

No velocity sensitivity?

I hope so, but don't expect it. I personally feel all software should at the bare minimum give you options to add velocity and aftertouch, but that's just my crazy talk.

Yorrrrrr · Post by **Yorrrrrr** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:41 pm

I think it will be added in a future update. I hope so. For now, it's an emulation of a vintage minimoog model d, with a little more options added.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:01 pm

Ingonator wrote:
Cinebient wrote: It´s not for me. O.k. i was not searching for a Minimoog model so it might be the reason.
At least i know now that i don´t need any of these Minimoog emulations.
So while several times it was mentioned this is a proper Minimoog emulation (with some additional advanced features not found in th real thing) you now tell a proper Minimoog emulation is not what you are interested in.
Sounds a bit strange to me. So what did you really expect from this? Maybe something that is only remotely close to a real Mini with tons of additional features?

For me the advanced features currently available including e.g. 12dB filter mode, 4 voice Poly (with adjustable stereo spread), 4 voice Unison (with adjustable stereo spread), full ADSR envelopes (instead of ADS or ADSD), Delay + Reverb effects, 2 switchable Minimoog models and others are enough at the moment, not to forget it runs without using Reaktor and does not kill your CPU (even when using polyphony).

FWIW theoretically adding e.g. velocity and/or aftertouch control could be something for a future update if enough customers would request this.

I'm of a similar mind. I've got Monark/Reaktor 6. It's excellent. I've got the new Mini V. Also, very good. (Much improved from the old version) I haven't had a chance to test Legend yet, but I personally need more incentive to spend money than "more accurate." I don't care about accuracy as much as I care for great sound. Doing velocity and aftertouch are, IMO, bare minimum "upgrades." Not using them would preserve the "authenticity" of the emulation, but having them extends the instrument by a lot. I like that they did "early" and "late" but why not add a "modern" version, since the Model D is now back in production, that's got an extra dedicated LFO?

Also, we're at a time when good hardware analog monophonic synths are available in the $300-500 range. Not Minimoog Model Ds, of course, but I highely recommend anyone wanting a tastes of the real thing go and see if they can find an ATC-1 for $500. Beautiful sounding, 2 dedicated LFOs, shape mixable VCOs, velocity, aftertouch, cross mod, great Moog inspired 24 db ladder filter... see, that's what I think when a synth like this comes out. I have great sound already, hardware and software, so you'd better nail the emulation and provide the full complement of standard MIDI CCs as modulation sources, even if it's just to filter cut off or EG amount.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:06 pm

chk071 wrote: Legend has slightly "softer", and more "stump" envelopes, like all the Synapse synths, which make them a bit less punchier, and snappier.

Thanks, you just won a bet for me..........Pay up Yorrrrr.........

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:10 pm

Well, i don't know what bet that was, but, i wasn't the only doing that same observation.

The fact that you don't care about sound (you proved that a lot of times now) doesn't mean that others don't care about it either. See, we're talking about a Minimoog emulation here, which was developed, and fine-tuned for hours and hours in a lot of tedious work to get it right (ask your buddies at Synapse if you don't trust me on that). What are we supposed to discuss here now? If about anything was close enough, i could just use TAL-Noisemaker, and say "case solved".

If you wanna see for yourself, demo Legend, Monark and Diva, and see for yourself, if you can hear a difference. I bet you won't, because you need a better set of ears than the cheap one you're wearing at the moment.

JonSolo · Post by **JonSolo** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:20 pm

Just as a note-

If you purchase the RE version and crossgrade to the VST for free, The Legend is NFR!

While this does not affect me, I am a VST Hoarder, some might want to know this moving forward with deciding which way to go.

Jon

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:22 pm

Fair enough i guess, otherwise you could just claim your 2 formats, and sell the VST/AU, when you only use the RE anyway.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:27 pm

chk071 wrote:Well, i don't know what bet that was, but, i wasn't the only doing that same observation. The fact that you don't care about sound (you proved that a lot of times now) doesn't mean that others don't care about it either. See, we're talking about a Minimoog emulation here, which was developed, and fine-tuned for hours and hours in a lot of tedious work to get it right (ask your buddies at Synapse if you don't trust me on that). What are we supposed to discuss here now? If about anything was close enough, i could just use TAL-Noisemaker, and say "case solved".

If you wanna see for yourself, demo Legend, Monark and Diva, and see for yourself, if you can hear a difference. I bet you won't, because you need a better set of ears than the cheap one you're wearing at the moment.

Wow cupcake some pretty harsh words there. Too bad there is no way you could back them up in real life.

I simply bet Yorrrr that you would say something about Legend's envelopes and "snappy", a term you were not able to define and has no real meaning. In other words you are painfully predictable. Unlike you there is nothing wrong with my ears.....or what is between them either.

Anyway I love the sound of The Legend especially the patches with "TK" at the end of the names......

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:31 pm

Teksonik wrote:
chk071 wrote:Well, i don't know what bet that was, but, i wasn't the only doing that same observation. The fact that you don't care about sound (you proved that a lot of times now) doesn't mean that others don't care about it either. See, we're talking about a Minimoog emulation here, which was developed, and fine-tuned for hours and hours in a lot of tedious work to get it right (ask your buddies at Synapse if you don't trust me on that). What are we supposed to discuss here now? If about anything was close enough, i could just use TAL-Noisemaker, and say "case solved".

If you wanna see for yourself, demo Legend, Monark and Diva, and see for yourself, if you can hear a difference. I bet you won't, because you need a better set of ears than the cheap one you're wearing at the moment.

Wow cupcake some pretty harsh words there. Too bad there is no way you could back them up in real life. I simply bet Yorrrr that you would say something about Legend's envelopes and "snappy", a term you were not able to define and has no real meaning.

Actually, i tried to explain it to you, but you didn't even respond to my explanation. And the fact that you don't know what "snappy" means, well, let's say that it is pretty telling.

BTW, there's not even a need to defend your favorite company's product, because, apart from the envelope thing, which is a topic in all Synapse synths, there's not much to criticize about Legend. It sounds a whole lot better than Dune 2 at least. And is up there with Monark, Diva, and what else is considered top of the line emus.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:32 pm

The difference between The Legend and Monark ? You don't need to install Reaktor to run The Legend. Bonus.

Monark System requirements: Free REAKTOR 5 PLAYER or REAKTOR 5 (both latest version).

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:33 pm

chk071 wrote: the fact that you don't know what "snappy" means, well, let's say that it is pretty telling.

The fact you don't know that "snappy" has no meaning is even more telling.......

JonSolo · Post by **JonSolo** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:34 pm

Velocity Sensitivity- don't know about the Legend, but us KVR members have it COVERED!

Synapse Audio Minimoog emulation "The Legend" for VST/AU and RE released!