I just purchased Tracktion. I'm having an issue rendering midi & audio tracks to a wav file. When I tell it to Export > Create an audio File > I choose WAV format. The result is the audio only, none of the midi music tracks were rendered.
When I play back the project, I hear all midi tracks and audio tracks together. But when I render to wav, only the audio comes through.
What am I doing wrong?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Why aren't my audio & midi tracks rendered to a wav file
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 8 posts since 14 Aug, 2004
The output from my computer sound card (thus my midi tracks?) goes to a mixer.
I have an Audiophile 24/96 soundcard and a SoundCraft Compact 4 mixer. Soundcard output goes to playback inputs on mixer and mixer record outputs goes to soundcard input.
I also have a Yamaha keyboard that is connected to the soundcard through the 15-pin midi port.
If it matters, the midi tracks were created with Band-in-a-Box (BIAB) and imported into Tracktion.
Thanks for trying to help this newbie.
I have an Audiophile 24/96 soundcard and a SoundCraft Compact 4 mixer. Soundcard output goes to playback inputs on mixer and mixer record outputs goes to soundcard input.
I also have a Yamaha keyboard that is connected to the soundcard through the 15-pin midi port.
If it matters, the midi tracks were created with Band-in-a-Box (BIAB) and imported into Tracktion.
Thanks for trying to help this newbie.
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- KVRAF
- 3745 posts since 29 Sep, 2002 from Killafornia
Oh ok, so the actual midi sound is comming from the Yamaha keyboard right? Tracktion cant render VST's and audio tracks with external gear at the same time. You have to record the output from your Yamaha into Tracktion as audio. Then once its audio you can mix everything down together. Tracktion is only sending/recieving the midi data to the Yamaha keyboard. Get it?
I'm not good at explaining things like this :ooop:.
I'm not good at explaining things like this :ooop:.
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 8 posts since 14 Aug, 2004
I appreciate you trying to help. I don't use the keyboard to create midi. I use Band in a Box to create the midi file. Then I create a new project in Tracktion and import the midi file.
Just to be sure, I disconnected my keyboard from my sound card and tried rendering my project as a wav file. It still didn't work.
To simplify matters, (I should have done this first - it's the first rule of troubleshooting) I tried selecting a single midi track and rendering only it. It didn't render.
So, in my setup, Tracktion doesn't render a midi track as a wav file.
This can't be right - surely T is supposed to do that. What am I missing?
Just to be sure, I disconnected my keyboard from my sound card and tried rendering my project as a wav file. It still didn't work.
To simplify matters, (I should have done this first - it's the first rule of troubleshooting) I tried selecting a single midi track and rendering only it. It didn't render.
So, in my setup, Tracktion doesn't render a midi track as a wav file. This can't be right - surely T is supposed to do that. What am I missing?
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- KVRAF
- 2582 posts since 24 Apr, 2003 from Canada
You need to actually record any midi that isn't rendered by a softsynth. So this means, if you want to render your yamaha keyboard-played midi to wav, you need to actually record it as if it was a guitar, or vocalist etc.
You need to create a new track. Now drag your 'input' icon that corresponds to the outboard mixer to point to this track. Mute all the outboard mixer channels except the one coming from the Yamaha. Now press record. Now wait till the song finishes.If your soundcard input is configured correctly, you will have a wav file containing everything the Yamaha played in your project. Now you can export/render the entire project with no problems.
You need to create a new track. Now drag your 'input' icon that corresponds to the outboard mixer to point to this track. Mute all the outboard mixer channels except the one coming from the Yamaha. Now press record. Now wait till the song finishes.If your soundcard input is configured correctly, you will have a wav file containing everything the Yamaha played in your project. Now you can export/render the entire project with no problems.
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 8 posts since 14 Aug, 2004
I am not making myself clear I guess.
I have not done anything and am not trying to do anything with my keyboard. It's turned off and disconnected from my computer/mixer/etc. It no longer exists in this universe.
I simply have a midi file that was created with another software program - not with any instrument connected to my computer or mixer. I imported that midi file into a project in Tracktion. It consists of 5 tracks (bass, piano, guitar, etc). I can choose any or all midi files and they will not render to a wav file.
Perhaps I should ask this: "If you download a midi file from the internet, can you import it into a Tracktion project, then render that project with it's imported midi file to a wav file?"
If NO, then I am trying to do something Tracktion wasn't designed to do (I can't believe it won't do this).
If YES, then I must be doing something wrong somewhere. And that's what I'm trying to find out.
I have not done anything and am not trying to do anything with my keyboard. It's turned off and disconnected from my computer/mixer/etc. It no longer exists in this universe.
I simply have a midi file that was created with another software program - not with any instrument connected to my computer or mixer. I imported that midi file into a project in Tracktion. It consists of 5 tracks (bass, piano, guitar, etc). I can choose any or all midi files and they will not render to a wav file.
Perhaps I should ask this: "If you download a midi file from the internet, can you import it into a Tracktion project, then render that project with it's imported midi file to a wav file?"
If NO, then I am trying to do something Tracktion wasn't designed to do (I can't believe it won't do this).
If YES, then I must be doing something wrong somewhere. And that's what I'm trying to find out.
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- KVRAF
- 2582 posts since 24 Apr, 2003 from Canada
What are you using to play the midi file back? Your soundcards default synth?
If you play back the midi files with a software synth - such as sfz, or any other VSTi synth/sampler - then you can export/render with no problems.
If you play back the midi files with hardware, be it your yamaha keyboard or your soundcards built-in synth, or even the built-in microsoft synth (its software but an exception to the rule) - then you need to record your audio, by connecting the input to a track and pushing record.
This is the way it is with every single sequencer/multitracker to my knowledge.
If you play back the midi files with a software synth - such as sfz, or any other VSTi synth/sampler - then you can export/render with no problems.
If you play back the midi files with hardware, be it your yamaha keyboard or your soundcards built-in synth, or even the built-in microsoft synth (its software but an exception to the rule) - then you need to record your audio, by connecting the input to a track and pushing record.
This is the way it is with every single sequencer/multitracker to my knowledge.
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- KVRist
- 55 posts since 4 Aug, 2004
is pass data thru midi filters ticked when you export?
Now you're in deep shit
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- KVRist
- 55 posts since 4 Aug, 2004
@floyd
there aint no synth on a audiophile card
there aint no synth on a audiophile card
Now you're in deep shit
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- KVRAF
- 2582 posts since 24 Apr, 2003 from Canada
That option is for midi export, not audio..Flexinoodles wrote:is pass data thru midi filters ticked when you export?
You are right, there is no audiophile synth. Well I don't know whats playing back his midis then - must be the microsoft dls synth.
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Hrm...
When you can 'hear' the MIDI file play back, is that from within Tracktion, or from the website you download it from? If it's the latter, it's going through Media Player which has a default GM MIDI bank. If it's in Tracktion, I'm at a loss.
[edit: oh, and you CAN do what you want to do with Tracktion; I've done it myself. It's just going to be a matter of figuring out where in your chain something's gone wrong. Be patient with us, as we'll ask questions that seem to have obvious answers to you, but still need to be answered for us to see the big picture. We'll get you there!]
Greg
When you can 'hear' the MIDI file play back, is that from within Tracktion, or from the website you download it from? If it's the latter, it's going through Media Player which has a default GM MIDI bank. If it's in Tracktion, I'm at a loss.
[edit: oh, and you CAN do what you want to do with Tracktion; I've done it myself. It's just going to be a matter of figuring out where in your chain something's gone wrong. Be patient with us, as we'll ask questions that seem to have obvious answers to you, but still need to be answered for us to see the big picture. We'll get you there!]
Greg
Last edited by Lunch Money on Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:33 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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- KVRist
- 47 posts since 19 May, 2004 from Muenchen
Tracktion - or any other sequencer - can only render those sounds to wav which are created under its own control. Your problem is probably that you are using an external synthesizer for playback, even though you might not know it.Arkansas wrote:
This can't be right - surely T is supposed to do that. What am I missing?
You can make sure in the following way:
- select a midi track
- find the list 'destination output for this track' in the lower right of the screen
- find the entry which is checked
If this entry has a keyboard symbol, you are using an external synthesizer.
If that is the case, you may re-record your synthesizer's output into a new track, as has been described by someone else in this thread. The common solution is a different one, however:
- change the entry to go to your default wave device
- insert a synth filter into your midi track (that's one of the filters with a keyboard symbol)
- if you don't like that synth's sounds, get one of the many freely available VST synths
- if you want still better sound
you will have to get a commercial synthHope that helps,
malamut
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- KVRer
- 8 posts since 12 Jul, 2004
@Arkansas
As I'm following the thread I get the impression that we can only help you, if we see what you are trying to do.
Please mail your project file to joergwessels@gmx.de and I'm gonna see what I can do.
Joerg
As I'm following the thread I get the impression that we can only help you, if we see what you are trying to do.
Please mail your project file to joergwessels@gmx.de and I'm gonna see what I can do.
Joerg
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 8 posts since 14 Aug, 2004
Thanks for everyone's help. LunchMoney, I agree that something in my chain is probably incorrect. When I get home tonight I will look at my setup in light of the info some of you provided and the questions some of you have asked and try to provide some answers that will help determine where the problem lies. It's good to know Tracktion will render a pre-recorded midi to a wav file. I appreciate the input of all of you experienced Tracktion users.Lunch Money wrote:[edit: oh, and you CAN do what you want to do with Tracktion; I've done it myself. It's just going to be a matter of figuring out where in your chain something's gone wrong. Be patient with us, as we'll ask questions that seem to have obvious answers to you, but still need to be answered for us to see the big picture. We'll get you there!]
Greg
Greg