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johnnyvn · Post by **johnnyvn** » Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:11 am

Does anyone happen to know what the "RHall HD" designation means on the right side of the LED Screen on the LX480?

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:13 am

johnnyvn wrote:Does anyone happen to know what the "RHall HD" designation means on the right side of the LED Screen on the LX480?

RHall HD has a massive density increase. The early reflection system has, instead of single delay lines (as used in the original), clusters of thousands of reflections with tuned modulation. It's the most advanced implementation of early reflections in a plugin. Even just 2 delay lines can give you the impression of a small room. The low frequency response is also improved compared to RHall.

johnnyvn · Post by **johnnyvn** » Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:24 am

Thank you for that explanation.

Would it be fair to say that, if one were not so much interested in emulating the 480L exactly, that it might be advantageous to use the RHall HD algorithm for all RHall presets? Also, would you happen to know if Relab is planning to create HD versions of the other algorithms?

Thanks again.

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:41 pm

In many cases, it is advantageous to use RHall HD instead of RHall, because of its "smoother" sound. In some cases, you may prefer RHall, because the "spaciness" created by it may sound more fitting in some cases due to the "deficiencies" of its reflections system compared to RHall HD. I think RHall HD is usually better, but I recommend not to dismiss RHall, and to experiment with both to figure out the differences.

I'm not sure, but I don't think there will be "HD" versions of the other algorithms. There was really a need to create a "high definition" (quite accurate term, actually) version of the RHall algorithm, since it really brings out the previously unrealized potential of that reverb. The other algorithms are built very differently, and don't really require additional "smoothing" compared to RHall. You'll find that diffusion in the Hall reverb for example is very different than that in RHall. It's inherently less prone to unwanted artifacts and can sound more "spacey" and "bigger" in general.

lacandon · Post by **lacandon** » Sun Sep 01, 2013 5:10 pm

I ve liked the hw most of the time but the plugin its nice too on the cello they sounds very close even tiny i prefer the plug on it !

cclarry · Post by **cclarry** » Sun May 31, 2015 2:06 pm

Warp69 wrote:
audiosabre wrote:I closed my eyes and opened them exactly at the first half dozen splice points. I could hear the changes on my k702.
These tests use the exact same sounds and settings, but switch locations and numbers have changed. In the uploaded video the Lexicon 480L is always first - this doesn't necessary have to be the case for these tests.

Where are the switch locations (if any)?

http://www.relab.dk/downloads/sound/AcGuitar.wav
http://www.relab.dk/downloads/sound/Drumbus.wav

If you can tell us the splice points, then we'll send you the product including an iLok 2 key.

The guitar changes at about 10 to 11 seconds...it get's very slightly "duller"
The drums change at about 17 to 18 seconds...same scenario...slight duller
but very slightly...

PatchAdamz · Post by **PatchAdamz** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:14 am

Really, the true test is how they sound in a completed mix.

Its easy to get a reverb to sound good on a single instrument but the true test is how does it work in a completed mix.

So many reverbs disappear or "smudge" away in a completed mix.

Nonikoff · Post by **Nonikoff** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:08 pm

Great A/B comparison - thanks to author a million !!! And yes - they are extremely close. Sometimes there's a little bit of overdose of Early and bass content ( creates artificial mud ) with plug-in 480 version, but this sweetness of hardware 480 is there!! ))) gonna buy one for myself definitely to ( don't shoot me ) have good plugin verb on my auxes, instead of hardware 960XL LOL )) tired to go all the time real-time bouncing )). BTW - gonna compare Auto Park of 960 and Auto Park of plug 480.

Nonikoff · Post by **Nonikoff** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:22 pm

http://filefactory.com/file/5mabdlj823i ... _LX480.wav - 100 Wet A/B comparison of 960 and LX480.
AutoPark ( parameters close as much as possible ). Well... 960 will fit mix better, cause it gives much less "roominess" and much more "presence" of dry content. Though, I'm still gonna use LX480 hard on my mixes )))

SeeingInMidi · Post by **SeeingInMidi** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:08 pm

Speaking of Relab, they announced a new reverb.

http://www.relab.dk/vsr_s24.html

DJbrimLo · Post by **DJbrimLo** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:11 pm

This is a GREAT thread. I knew I liked the LX480 just didn't know how good it was really until checking out this thread. I acquired this plug as part of Slates 24.99 Everything Bundle. He recently offered a $14.99 bundle that does not include the LX480 so I'm going to keep what I have cause this plug is beasty. I like to have a nice rotation of plugs. It is like my gear. I rotate thru what I use per session to keep my ears fresh and honest. Plus it is fun. Great job on this Verb for sure.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:42 pm

johnnyvn wrote:
kmonkey wrote:
Echoes in the Attic wrote: Certainly sounds the same to me. I'd be interested to hear a test like this against NI's RC 48.
You don't have to wait. I tested both. It's a no contest really. RC 48 is TOTALY different sounding to LX480 Complete. Very nice but not the same at all. Entirely different reverb imho. But it is usable all the way.
Can you elaborate on how the RC48 sounds entirely different from the LX480, especially given that they are both supposed to accurately replicate the same piece of hardware? I'm hoping to download the demo of the RC48 and put it up against the real thing and the LX480.

Sorry i missed your question. It's an easy answer at least for me.

- RC48 does sound different in early refraction pattern,
- Reverb sound does not wrap itself around source like LX480 Relab does.
- Then tail modulation is completely different in LX480 then on RC48.
- Density or "weight" i could say again is completely different on LX480.

To my ears RC48 is some sort of "approximation". I am not saying this in negative way but when you look at the options to edit and shape your virtual acoustic space on LX480 and compare that to RC48 it seems no contest to me. RC48 look like developers tried to achieve sort of "you can't make me bad sounding" with it's limited set of controls.

But keep in mind i would not be surprised at all if you for example find LX480 sound to you is crappy. Try demo first- Reverb sound is very subjective and i can love LX480 sound while someone else will find RC48 better. At some Christmas sale RC48 is probably good choice to buy (you should really try Valhalla reverbs if you search for low cost but quality reverb plugins) but if you want to take full control of your virtual spaces and care about stunning vintage reverb sound then LX480 is for you. Expensive though.

tnipe · Post by **tnipe** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:00 pm

Has anyone seen LX480 on sale before? If so, how much?

Jelani · Post by **Jelani** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:37 pm

Just letting everyone here know about the new Ralab bundle with Gobbler that includes ALL of the Relab reverbs for just $7.99 a month. The LX480 used to be included with the Slate Digital bundle as you guys know, but now the Slate bundle is $10 cheaper and you can pair it with the $7.99 Relab bundle to get all Relab reverbs AND the new Slate reverb emulator.

jamcat · Post by **jamcat** » Mon Oct 03, 2022 9:42 pm

LX480 4.0 is now in public beta.
VST3 & M1 native!

It's available to all Relab Community members.
https://community.relabdevelopment.com/become-a-member/

Relab LX480 A/B test versus Lexicon 480L. Most impressive hardware vs plugin test ever? You bet!