Thinking of migrating from Cubase 7.x to Live 9

[SODDI]

Will it be a huge disruption in my "workflow"? Steep learning curve? Arguments with my VSTs?

Last week I got a very serious recommendation for Live from artists I really respect who run Live, well, live. I do not do live, any DAW is strictly studio. Plus they run on Apples - my studio is PC-based.

Ableton does not seem to run any crossgrade offers but they seem to run the occasional 25% off sale.

Really depends on why you received the recommendation and what you want to do.

If you were to go the route of Live, I would suggest that a Push 2 should be considered essential. They work together so well and offer something you will not find with other DAW's... a fluid hands on creative environment where the DAW feels like an instrument.

But again, it depends on what is your workflow and what you expect. And if you find Cubase fits your needs, why switch at all?

Thank you for the helpful post. Particularly, "...a fluid hands on creative environment where the DAW feels like an instrument." That's real tempting.

Then it becomes a matter of finances because Live plus Push is like a grand ($1000). I could do it - but I'd rather not have to because the Komplete upgrade ($200) would have to come first and I just last week bought a new MIDI controller... yeah, I'm cheap/on a budget.

I will demo it this weekend.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

'Live' is not so suited to certain tasks, and might seem "clunky" to those used to more established paradigms. However, I think that it suffers from these long-held, limiting beliefs

Here, for your viewing pleasure, is some 'reasonable doubt':



https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... doEjjyuQgI

He also has a subscription-based tutorial series on his site

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'Arrange' page is fine, and even a standard 'qwerty' can beat 'push', if in the right hands

Of course, there is not really anything he is doing that can't be done in any other daw. Knowing your chosen tool, thoroughly, is the key. However, I can't help thinking that 'Live' has a much more streamlined flow, which has somehow got the reputation as lacking

[chk071]

Why Live anyway? Coming from Cubase, Studio One seems like a more sensible, and logical switch to me. Also the more inexpensive option i think.

[ghettosynth]

'Live' is not so suited to certain tasks, and might seem "clunky" to those used to more established paradigms. However, I think that it suffers from these long-held, limiting beliefs

Here, for your viewing pleasure, is some 'reasonable doubt':

Have you used Cubase? At any rate, here you go, comping, it sucks in Ableton. I do this regularly (never in Live) and I can tell you that copying and pasting a bunch of stuff manually is not clean a clean way to do comping. Cubase, Reaper, and even Reason, make it easy to audition which parts that you want. This is a good example of what people mean when they say live is "not so suited to certain tasks and seems clunky." Comping, among other things, is clunky in Live.

[JonSolo]

The concept of migrating has always left me baffled.

That may sound strange after seeing my signature. I use a variety of tools. Each has its own purpose and workflow. Limiting myself to a single system by migrating seems pointless and a waste of time. On the other hand, learning a new system to add to my abilities is a fantastic way of building new ideas.

You will find frustrations with every tool in the toolbox. Abandoning one for the other is as silly as quitting a hammer to strictly use a screwdriver.

I can use the backside of screwdriver to hammer in a nail, and I can hammer in a screw, but it would be easier to let each tool perform its own job while enjoy the outcome. Both get the job done. Both create a bond between two pieces of wood. Taking a path that allows the project to quickly come together saves your creativity from leaving you before it gains fruition.

Jon

[Elektronisch]

Why Live anyway? Coming from Cubase, Studio One seems like a more sensible, and logical switch to me. Also the more inexpensive option i think.

Because respected producer said so

[Elektronisch]

Will it be a huge disruption in my "workflow"? Steep learning curve? Arguments with my VSTs?

Last week I got a very serious recommendation for Live from artists I really respect who run Live, well, live. I do not do live, any DAW is strictly studio. Plus they run on Apples - my studio is PC-based.

Ableton does not seem to run any crossgrade offers but they seem to run the occasional 25% off sale.

Really depends on why you received the recommendation and what you want to do.

If you were to go the route of Live, I would suggest that a Push 2 should be considered essential. They work together so well and offer something you will not find with other DAW's... a fluid hands on creative environment where the DAW feels like an instrument.

But again, it depends on what is your workflow and what you expect. And if you find Cubase fits your needs, why switch at all?

Thank you for the helpful post. Particularly, "...a fluid hands on creative environment where the DAW feels like an instrument." That's real tempting.

Then it becomes a matter of finances because Live plus Push is like a grand ($1000). I could do it - but I'd rather not have to because the Komplete upgrade ($200) would have to come first and I just last week bought a new MIDI controller... yeah, I'm cheap/on a budget.

I will demo it this weekend.

Why not to use FL Studio?

- its also used by alot of respected musicians
- also it has Performance mode and also can be used like an instrument
- inexpensive comparing to competitors, producer edition 199, signature bundle
- includes good quality effects and instruments
- piano roll is the best of all daws (seriously it is the best)
- LIFE FREE UPDATES aka you will not need to pay for futher upgrades

and do add:

- it is miles ahead of Live
- more advanced then Cubase because of modular enviroment, wich lets you to be more creative by adding aditional envelopes, lfos and other controllers.

[Kalamata Kid]

[FL studio] is miles ahead of Live
more advanced then Cubase

I thought World War three will start in Syria but looks
like it may start here.

[Elektronisch]

[FL studio] is miles ahead of Live
more advanced then Cubase

I thought World War three will start in Syria but looks
like it may start here.

In some aspects FL is more advanced then Cubase and that is a fact. For the rest is just a workflow. You can add notation as advantage of cubase, but for the rest? Its a lane based sequancing and thats to it.

Live doesnt bring anything new to the table. It doesnt even have Pitch correction integrated, MIDI editing is a garbage and many other things. In how advanced FL now is superior to Live.

Both of these programs do not offer layer option, you cant make combined patches of instruments or fx, ableton doesnt support 32 and 64 bit plugins at the same time. Just few things to mention amongs other.

[sqigls]

[insert facepalm smiley here]

[pottering]

Ableton Live can layer and make combined patches of instruments or fx.

[Elektronisch]

Ableton Live can layer and make combined patches of instruments or fx.

No it cannot

you cannot do like this https://www.image-line.com/support/FLHe ... _layer.htm or this https://www.image-line.com/support/FLHe ... atcher.htm

Only studio one as far as i know can do similar thing with version 3

Ok, edit, sorry my bad, Ableton live has instrument racks, it is possible to do similar thing after all

[pottering]

That Layer channels thing is definitely doable in Live, in more than one way.

Live can make "combined patches of instruments or fx", it is not truly modular like Patcher, but you would be surprised how much you can achieve with Racks in Live (in fact, that pic in the manual you linked is achievable).

[sqigls]

How the f**k did "layering in Fruity Loops" even become part of this conversation!!?

[Elektronisch]

How the f**k did "layering in Fruity Loops" even become part of this conversation!!?

Because its addition to the workflow, it is a bummer to to stack 7 intsruments just to play same midi file.

But it also depends on music style you do. If you do something simple wich in most cases gets up to just 10-20 (tech-house for ex) midi tracks in total project, no ability to stack up instruments might be forgivable.

Try to work on a project where you have to make multiple of such stack-ups on a daw that gives you that ability and that does not. Its pretty tedious and time consuming thing to do, and when you need to change something in midi ... fun part becomes a chore.

p.s. by refering to "fruity loops" wich i think was up to version 5 or 6 (i guess that was the version you tried last?) was fruity comparing to how advanced it is now. So dont be so judgemental and gives some real arguments why it is fruity instead of facepalming