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Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:23 pm

judging whether he was the best of his generation is subjective but he certainly was a well noted poet of his generation like any other (prize winners or not) from past, present and even future generations. It seems odd to me the negativity here, his poetry was well established in a very unique time of history. One could argue that others deserve it more (I might be able to think of a few) but the amount of influence he had on that generation was indeed considerable. This is coming from someone who likes a few songs here and there but never was a fan, grew up in that generation and yet never owned a Dylan album (a 45 or two and perhaps some copped off the radio recordings)

I congratulate him

Functional · Post by **Functional** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:26 pm

To be honest, there are some things about Nobel prizes that I think should be considered

1. First of all, the integrity of Nobel committee can be questioned easily due to the fact that even economics has, supposedly, a nobel prize. They sold out after they gave permission for that. While I don't like to speculate with the opinions of the deceased, I'm still going to say that I doubt Alfred Nobel would have approved that, especially during the time it actually was approved. Though I doubt these days would be much different either.

2. Even the scientific nobel prizes can be questioned in modern day, due to the fact that ownership of any kind of intellect seems to be now more than ever a concept that isn't scientifically sound. While it can be understood during the days of Newton, for example, because he literally had little to build upon the foundations of physics. But in modern day, many discoveries aren't actually really as revolutionary discoveries as they used to be in the past and they're quite often a "new way" to look at previously known facts and just another interpretation of it. Every field becomes more and more specialized with much more depth in it, so the discoveries in these specialized branches become more and more "boring" for the field in general. Generally, given that our societies, groups, organizations, institutions, individuals are more and more intertwined, information spreads across much more efficiently and revolutionary ideas might even become rarer (because current paradigms promote to think of things in one way), while, on the other hand, the incremental research becomes more efficient.

What does it sum to? Well, think of it this way. Every year it's known, that a given Nobel prize must be awarded. It must be awarded to someone. But as time passes, clear candidates become even rarer, until they run into the point where they have to just "pick someone". So they pick these "just someone" people that can be at least justified to some extent. Obama was a clear example of this — he can be justified to some extent and he's known well by people. So he got the prize. Who could they have picked who they could justify better? Probably nobody, because either the candidate is not known to people or he is and he is hated by some while loved by others. They would be likely equal to Obama in these terms.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:29 pm

Not to mention the credibility of the whole shenanigans after Kissinger got awarded the Peace Prize in '73

Functional · Post by **Functional** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:30 pm

Oh damn, I said "he" instead of she. Probably because most of the nobel candidates are just old males.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:36 pm

So how is Mr. Bob celebrating tonight ?

MickGael · Post by **MickGael** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:40 pm

The best Dylan verses can sit proudly beside any of the Nobel Prize winning poets I've read.

http://bobdylan.com/songs/love-minus-zero-no-limit/

ATS · Post by **ATS** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:41 pm

I know I for one was extremely happy for this news. Well deserved.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:46 pm

Seldom does geography get mentioned in the blurb, but when it does, then it is about America:

Toni Morrison '93: "who in novels characterized by visionary force and poetic import, gives life to an essential aspect of American reality"

Bob Dylan '16: "for having created new poetic expressions within the great American song tradition"

Why? African, Asian, European poetry ain't good enough to be mentioned by name

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:46 pm

ATS wrote:I know I for one was extremely happy for this news. Well deserved.

Really? Which ones of this list did you read?

Rabindranath Tagore (1913)
W.B. Yeats (1923)
Gabriela Mistral(1945)
T.S. Eliot (1948)
Pablo Neruda (1971)
Czeslaw Milosz (1980)
Octavia Paz (1990)
Seamus Heaney (1995)

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:51 pm

Humanoid wrote:
wrote:Bob Dylan '16: "for having created new poetic expressions within the great American song tradition"
Why? African, Asian, European poetry ain't good enough to be mentioned by name

I'd like to know which "great American song tradition" is that?

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:57 pm

Well, the one building on Woodie Guthrie and Pete Seeger I guess

But when thinking about American authors with an impact, why haven't Stephen King received the prize yet

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:59 pm

Numanoid wrote:Well, the one building on Woodie Guthrie and Pete Seeger I guess

Seriously? Is that it?

I would prefer Philip K. Dick over Stephen King, BTW... but better yet Isaac Asimov.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:05 pm

fmr wrote:
Numanoid wrote:Well, the one building on Woodie Guthrie and Pete Seeger I guess
Seriously? Is that it?

Well, I like the Carpenters, but I don't think it can't be them they mean with the great American song tradition

MickGael · Post by **MickGael** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:11 pm

Numanoid wrote:
fmr wrote:
Numanoid wrote:Well, the one building on Woodie Guthrie and Pete Seeger I guess
Seriously? Is that it?
Well, I like the Carpenters, but I don't think it can't be them they mean with the great American song tradition

Absent Native Americans, there is no "American" ethnicity. It is the confluence of the traditions you cite, as well as many others. That is why it is fairly described as "American."

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:18 pm

MickGael wrote:Absent Native Americans, there is no "American" ethnicity. It is the confluence of the traditions you cite, as well as many others. That is why it is fairly described as "American."

So we are all really just Americans, wherever we live

I didn't realize

So, where is my green card

Bob Dylan wins 2016 Nobel prize in literature