KVR Audio

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:17 am

Elektronisch wrote:
pottering wrote:Ableton Live can layer and make combined patches of instruments or fx.
No it cannot

you cannot do like this https://www.image-line.com/support/FLHe ... _layer.htm or this https://www.image-line.com/support/FLHe ... atcher.htm

Only studio one as far as i know can do similar thing with version 3

Ok, edit, sorry my bad, Ableton live has instrument racks, it is possible to do similar thing after all

Live's Instrument Racks are a thing of beauty. So fast and powerful.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:21 am

Elektronisch wrote:
In some aspects FL is more advanced then Cubase and that is a fact. For the rest is just a workflow. You can add notation as advantage of cubase, but for the rest? Its a lane based sequancing and thats to it.

Then there is clearly a lot you don't know about Cubase, just as you didn't even know about Live's instrument racks.

Elektronisch · Post by **Elektronisch** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:28 am

pdxindy wrote:
Elektronisch wrote:
In some aspects FL is more advanced then Cubase and that is a fact. For the rest is just a workflow. You can add notation as advantage of cubase, but for the rest? Its a lane based sequancing and thats to it.
Then there is clearly a lot you don't know about Cubase, just as you didn't even know about Live's instrument racks.

I did worked with cubase, much more then with live where in live i only had to work on few live acts to prepeare and some small demoing.

On cubase (version 6 and 7.5) i had to make few songs with it, and i agree there are alot of cool stuff, like VariAudio for example, or working with audio but for the rest it was a bit of a bottleneck to work as there were some essential features missing to have a fast workflow.

Tho for one point i am also very used myself to FL Studio workflow, quickly recording stuff to edison and mangling out. Automation clips wich you can tie to the pattern clips and use as envelopes. I may be spoiled by goodies like that wich makes so much easier to work

sqigls · Post by **sqigls** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:31 am

Elektronisch wrote:
sqigls wrote:How the f**k did "layering in Fruity Loops" even become part of this conversation!!?
Because its addition to the workflow, it is a bummer to to stack 7 intsruments just to play same midi file.

But it also depends on music style you do. If you do something simple wich in most cases gets up to just 10-20 (tech-house for ex) midi tracks in total project, no ability to stack up instruments might be forgivable.

Try to work on a project where you have to make multiple of such stack-ups on a daw that gives you that ability and that does not. Its pretty tedious and time consuming thing to do, and when you need to change something in midi ... fun part becomes a chore.

p.s. by refering to "fruity loops" wich i think was up to version 5 or 6 (i guess that was the version you tried last?) was fruity comparing to how advanced it is now. So dont be so judgemental and gives some real arguments why it is fruity instead of facepalming

hey don't get me involved in your fruity mess.
I'm referring to the relevance of this to the OP's question.
I really don't often stack 7 instruments playing the same note at the same time to warrant that being a pre-requisite in my DAW choice… but yeah, whatever floats your boat.

DrGonzo · Post by **DrGonzo** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:41 am

SODDI wrote:Will it be a huge disruption in my "workflow"? Steep learning curve? Arguments with my VSTs?

Last week I got a very serious recommendation for Live from artists I really respect who run Live, well, live. I do not do live, any DAW is strictly studio. Plus they run on Apples - my studio is PC-based.

Ableton does not seem to run any crossgrade offers but they seem to run the occasional 25% off sale.

I did the jump from Cubase to Live years ago - and it was a real mind-bender in the beginning. Been using Cubase since the Atari ST. The workflow in Live is very different and it really took me a few months really to settle with Live. The only thing I miss from Cubase is really the main page where you record all your tracks. There is a linear arrangement page in Live, but it's nothing as refined as the one in Cubase. Comping in Live is nowhere near as smooth as in Cubase, for example.

Do I miss Cubase? Occasionally. But it's more of nostalgic reasons. Ableton have stepped up quite a bit with quality control and workflow lately. The most interesting thing about changing your DAW is - obviously - it changes your perception of music in ways.

/C

sqigls · Post by **sqigls** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:46 am

quite often in Cubase, I like to have the notes of a few MIDI tracks visible simultaneously.
I think this alone is enough for me to prefer Cubase as a linear songwriting tool.

tooneba · Post by **tooneba** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:16 am

If users can't see the advantage of FL over Cubase they won't see the advantage of Live either. Stick with Cubase. Simplicity is advantage for some but the others need functionality over simplicity.

risome · Post by **risome** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:22 am

Did it years ago best thing ever did

sqigls · Post by **sqigls** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:24 am

tooneba wrote:If users can't see the advantage of FL over Cubase they won't see the advantage of Live either. Stick with Cubase. Simplicity is advantage for some but the others need functionality over simplicity.

subjective, what functionality does the OP need, that is the question, the thread is not about how some people think FruitLoops are better than Cubase.

DrGonzo · Post by **DrGonzo** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:28 am

tooneba wrote:If users can't see the advantage of FL over Cubase they won't see the advantage of Live either. Stick with Cubase. Simplicity is advantage for some but the others need functionality over simplicity.

I know a few commercially successful producers who swear by the effectiveness of FL Studio. I bought it - tried it. Didn't get it. Bought a few tutorials. Still didn't get it. I met up with one of the producers over a coffee a few years back and he asked - how is it going with FL? I said the whole program felt like you at some point created a tree house for your children, then realized how cool it was and you started building extra rooms, better comfort etc and you end up moving your whole family in there. He just laughed and said, yeah... it IS a bit like that.

I don't find FL Studio one bit simple, but that was a couple of years ago. As soon as it goes out of the eternal beta for Mac - I'll give it another spin.

/C

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:43 am

tooneba wrote:If users can't see the advantage of FL over Cubase they won't see the advantage of Live either. Stick with Cubase. Simplicity is advantage for some but the others need functionality over simplicity.

Nonsense. I started with Cubase, prefer Live for most composition, still think that there are advantages to Cubase (and Reaper) for many other things, but just don't get on with FL Studio.

If for no other reason than it is the very definition of fugly.

tooneba · Post by **tooneba** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:59 am

There you go. That's what I said. Some people think the Live's simplicity is advantage for them over Cubase's functionality. Same goes for DAW XXX (are we currently chatting about FL? then insert FL.).

It's just about if you comprehend the logic behind it and how you define the advantage. You should read carefully that I wrote see not feel. Our comprehension is nothing to do with our feeling. (Some fanboys began to overreact as I expected though

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SODDI · Post by **SODDI** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:55 pm

Elektronisch wrote:
chk071 wrote:Why Live anyway? Coming from Cubase, Studio One seems like a more sensible, and logical switch to me. Also the more inexpensive option i think.
Because respected producer said so

Oh, no, it wasn't a producer - it was a musician.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:06 pm

tooneba wrote:There you go. That's what I said. Some people think the Live's simplicity is advantage for them over Cubase's functionality. Same goes for DAW XXX (are we currently chatting about FL? then insert FL.).

It's just about if you comprehend the logic behind it and how you define the advantage. You should read carefully that I wrote see not feel. Our comprehension is nothing to do with our feeling. (Some fanboys began to overreact as I expected though )

No, that isn't what you said, and, I'm not a purist about anything. If you don't want people to overreact then don't make false statements. There is no intrinsic equivalence between the functionality of live and FL. There are plenty of reasons not to see any advantage whatsoever of FL and a lot of advantage of Live and this has nothing to do with simplicity nor "comprehending the logic." I completely grok the logic of FL, it's just not implemented very well.

In short, your statement was simply false. Users who don't see an advantage to FL may very well see an advantage to live. Instead of calling others fanbois, perhaps you should register for a class in logic with your local college.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:07 pm

tooneba wrote:If users can't see the advantage of FL over Cubase they won't see the advantage of Live either. Stick with Cubase. Simplicity is advantage for some but the others need functionality over simplicity.

One clear and distinctive advantage of Live is the Session view. Combine that with Push 2 and its fantastic integration and that is something other DAW's do not have. (including FL Studio)

Thinking of migrating from Cubase 7.x to Live 9