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spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:09 am

whyterabbyt wrote:I'd point the finger of blame for genres at music journalists meself.

I blame it on language, the need for categorising.. and a million other factors

oh and Sweden

Lady J · Post by **Lady J** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:16 am

Kriminal wrote:Isnt 'Punk-Hop' just another made up (by record companies) genre to sell more records?

Nah, because so far they haven't even realised it exists. Punk hop is very underground but there are some acts like N.E.R.D,, Spymob, etc that are big and play it.

I'm generalising here but...
Punk Hop's home is in little "dive bar" clubs and made by kids who don't care about genres much, love hip hop more a little more than punk but like punk D.I.Y attitude and the pace and energy. they usually are expert rappers or play cheap Korean guitars and use Roland or Korg grooveboxes if they don't have a live drummer. Most Punk Hop acts i've seen live usually have both a drummer and groove boxes for certain songs.

its cool music. you have to hunt for it though. next year may be the year of punk hop but with any luck it will stay underground a little longer.

The best known example of a punk hop tune would be N.E.R.D's - Fly or Die off of their album also called Fly or Die.

topaz · Post by **topaz** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:17 am

same here man

made me laugh when I went into a local HMV and asked for Squarepushers new album, he asks

"what style is it" ?

I reply hmmmm, hard to say it's all over the place but has some electronic experimental sound in there.

"ahh sir all dance style music is in Urban"

but it's not really Dance I reply

"if we have it it will be under Urban sir"

twats

whyterabbyt wrote:I'd point the finger of blame for genres at music journalists meself.

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:32 am

Lady J wrote:
Nah, because so far they haven't even realised it exists. Punk hop is very underground but there are some acts like N.E.R.D,, Spymob, etc that are big and play it.

Spymob is N.E.R.D., virtually anyway.

Lady J · Post by **Lady J** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:33 am

Oh and to the person asking about what punk hop is about lyrically. It can be about anything or nothing. It's punk. What you likely -wont- hear a lot of is the typical fare of commerical hip hop. You can't really brag about having 'bling bling' when you're dirt poor playing dive bars. Most of the punk hop i've heard falls into 3 or 4 categories: Party, Political, Parents or Pissed-off at some part of life.

Here is a punk hop song from Chicago's Lucky Boy's Confusion. File this under Party..

LUCKY BOYS CONFUSION
"LBC"

So let's go back to the Caddy won't slow down, go down
Hit the next street at the party gonna throw down
3 dollars to get inside
LBC flying high tonight
I need a pleasure release sort of like masturbation
Yeah, that LBC kick, my malignant fascination with sensation
It grows, on the mic where I flow
Hide all your fans cause the shit's about to blow
I'm gonna stomp, stomp, stomp all the critics
Cause my lyrics are ideas not finetics
Reggae-punk-hop will never get tired
Bring in Adam the Townkrier- Fire!
Right up in ya, as we continue
To move the groove that in the end is gonna win ya
Out, I doubt, no competition
When I'm on the microphone you listen
You're missing the point, kid spark the joint
It's the way that you live, when you're a lucky boy
This recipe yeah you know me
This 5-piece band called LBC
Rest of the world passes by saying the world does not revolve around you
But my world revolves around me; no it's not conceit
Just a realization that at first I put myself before you
So I can stand on my own two feet, right next to thee
Yeah, LB Confusion is on the mic
I'm givin props won't stop with the shit you like
So skip the trip, and spend the night
Cause I'm believing that the time is right
L to the B we don't quit
With the styles of the while in the scene of this outfit
The 5 of us with this reggae punk child
Break em on in Stubhystyle
It's that L dot B dot C dot scene
Lucky Boys Confusion no we're not from Long Beach
But from Chicago, we'll make your mind boggle
If you meet the fungi from Colorado
Always kicking down with our boys from the Swizzle
Everybody said our styles would fade and fizzle
My hair's still skunking don't be perpetrating me
I've rocking the mic since 1993
Oh, when I'm frustrated I've got anger in my head
I think of the relative ease of the life I've led
So many struggled and died so I may breathe air that's free
I hope when they look upon me they deem me worthy
We're just children of this wasted generation
Trying to make the best of our situation
So we play our music all night long
Till everyone will know when they hear this song
And here we go
Yes it's that 5 tone Lucky Boy posse
Pass me the Red Stripe so I can get saucy
And watch all the girls jiggle-wiggle their hips
Point to us and they pucker their lips
This LBC let me tell you what's in store
We'll play all night if you scream encore
It's the way we jam
LBC (Labuck) hits the stage don't try to compete
Ryan sits down and lays down the beat
Adam steps up and he matches the groove
Joe kicks the lead and J starts to move
Bop chicks do their off beat phish dance
420 Geeks try to make room
Carlito's getting naked and we're dancing, we're dancing
This is one from the Townkrier, come to get you higher
Happy to engage in the smoke like a fire
Boom! Come on and make room
Cause I'm hookin up the audible shroom, are you a buyer
Shit, god damn, what's the plan, here's the plan
Get high, get by any way I can
I drop the flow you drop the flavor
Kick the bassline just ask the neighbor

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:35 am

I was waiting for a lyrics quote

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:35 am

topaz wrote:same here man

made me laugh when I went into a local HMV and asked for Squarepushers new album, he asks

"what style is it" ?

I reply hmmmm, hard to say it's all over the place but has some electronic experimental sound in there.

"ahh sir all dance style music is in Urban"

but it's not really Dance I reply

"if we have it it will be under Urban sir"

twats

whyterabbyt wrote:I'd point the finger of blame for genres at music journalists meself.

I had exactly the same experience recently looking for Amon Tobin. Maybe Urban is the new RnB (ie it means anything you care to put in it)

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:39 am

CypherOne wrote:
Lady J wrote:
Nah, because so far they haven't even realised it exists. Punk hop is very underground but there are some acts like N.E.R.D,, Spymob, etc that are big and play it.

Spymob is N.E.R.D., virtually anyway.

Isn't everything - those NERD guys have their fingers in a lot of pies

Seem to be buzzing with creativity, I like some of what they do myself; great that they are challenging boundaries, all such artificial borders need to be broken down - silly that this leads to some people feeling we need to erect some new ones.

Lady J · Post by **Lady J** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:45 am

aMUSEd wrote:
CypherOne wrote:
Lady J wrote:
Nah, because so far they haven't even realised it exists. Punk hop is very underground but there are some acts like N.E.R.D,, Spymob, etc that are big and play it.

Spymob is N.E.R.D., virtually anyway.
Isn't everything - those NERD guys have their fingers in a lot of pies

Totally.

Seem to be buzzing with creativity, I like some of what they do myself; great that they are challenging boundaries, all such artificial borders need to be broken down - silly that this leads to some people feeling we need to erect some new ones.

I never said that we need to erect new ones. I'm all about breaking them down. But regardless of how you break down a border it has to be called something. If you don't label it yourself (as in the case of Punk Hop) someone else will (as in the case of Hick Hop).

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:45 am

I'm actually a big fan of NERD, both albums are really good. But then perhaps I'm easily pleased.

topaz · Post by **topaz** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:47 am

I think it just makes it easier for them to deal with all the silly sub genre's, after all if they didn't throw it all in Urban they would forever be making new shelves and by the time they made new ones 4 more would come along.

aMUSEd wrote:I had exactly the same experience recently looking for Amon Tobin. Maybe Urban is the new RnB (ie it means anything you care to put in it)

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:48 am

aMUSEd wrote:
Isn't everything - those NERD guys have their fingers in a lot of pies

bet they must have sticky keys.

Lady J · Post by **Lady J** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:48 am

CypherOne wrote:I'm actually a big fan of NERD, both albums are really good. But then perhaps I'm easily pleased.

No you have good taste.

I've been a fan of Neptunes./N.E.R.D since the first Kelis album, Kaliedoscope.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:49 am

topaz wrote:I think it just makes it easier for them to deal with all the silly sub genre's, after all if they didn't throw it all in Urban they would forever be making new shelves and by the time they made new ones 4 more would come along.

aMUSEd wrote:I had exactly the same experience recently looking for Amon Tobin. Maybe Urban is the new RnB (ie it means anything you care to put in it)

Fair enough.

[irony]Though I would have put Tobin in Jazz[/irony]

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:51 am

Lady J wrote:
CypherOne wrote:I'm actually a big fan of NERD, both albums are really good. But then perhaps I'm easily pleased.
No you have good taste.

I've been a fan of Neptunes./N.E.R.D since the first Kelis album, Kaliedoscope.

Now Kelis - I like her early stuff, pity about Milkshake though. A couple of Neptunes produced songs she did with Busta Rhymes (who I love) especially.

Is anyone feeling Punk-Hop?